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So Punk, Can You Prove Your Adjustments, Go Ahead Prove Them !

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Some features just can't be bracketed.

Like the house I look at earlier that had a 10 car garage and is inside of a PUD.

Yup, not going to find a "comp" with 11 or more car stalls all in a garage, and no carport.

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We have pended many appraisasl asking the appraiser to provide support for a lack of adjustments for certain features if the lack of an adjustment is not sufficiently explained, especially if that feature is not bracketed.

I'm sure that all of your company's reviewers have the experience and geo competency to be able to determine what are "sufficient" explanations....:)

Do your reviewers ask why there was no adjustment for GLA of less than 100 sf? And do they have knowledge to determine if the explanation is "sufficient"?

And I don't mean a reviewer once, within the past 100K reviews, asked....:ROFLMAO:
 
why we, as an industry, are not required to support our reasons for making no adjustments,

We are required to explain reasons for not making an adjustment. Making an adjustment is an opinion of the difference between a property feature of a comp and the subject. Not making an adjustment would also be giving an opinion of that feature, or an opinion of a lack of value of that property attribute.
 
Obviously the math is not rigorous that we use to SUPPORT, not PROVE, an adjustment. Further, using a small data base is fraught with potential problems. I understand the rationale of UC in regard to many houses being fairly simple to make a stab at, and the imprecision allows for some huge potential errors, which are only dampened by our judgment. The notion is recent that we need some sort of precision math to make these judgments. And the blame lies in the idea that Zillow is a precision algorithm which can be replicated by appraisers. Fannie Mae is much smitten by the idea and as crappy an idea as it is, appraisers are dealing with this daily. Again, Thaler has won the Economic Prize from the Swedish Bank on the basis of his research that people are basically irrational and therefore, any model assuming that humans only make decisions on the basis of clear self-interests or they know the difference in what is best for them and what appeals to them is wrong.

I was stuck in the waiting room for an hour waiting on my doctor and had to watch Property Brothers or stick chewing gum in my ears...and I was out of chewing gum. I watched as one of the Weasel brothers negotiated with buyer seller to get into a 1400 SF home for $830,000 with a budget to do some remodeling. Of course, no home inspector was needed. So they start in on the wall, then the fireplace - problems, then the electrical, then find mold in the attic, new membrane roof on low pitch house, and finally, the garage turned out to be an add on with insufficient support and literally has to be rebuilt. All those fancy upgrades had to be downsized and I thought...geez, what a good screwing these people got. But they were led like sheep to the slaughter instead of calling their lawyer and suing. Too embarrassed I suppose to admit they were duped by a slick sales pitch.

Thought this was worth a re-post - thank you for it.

...and right back into discussing how to make matched pairs work...
 
We have pended many appraisasl asking the appraiser to provide support for a lack of adjustments for certain features if the lack of an adjustment is not sufficiently explained, especially if that feature is not bracketed.

:rof:

Especially when!!! Yea! You go girl!!! Go get 'em!!! Bad appraiser!!!
 
Yes. And the first thing a new appraiser, who actually has a bit of math and analytical skills, realizes can almost never be applied, due to a lack of data. This in turn leaves the new appraiser, and older appraisers who continue to strive towards ethics and competence, to wonder why so many classes teach it over and over again. This also begins the search for alternative methods, which also yield similar results, though for different reasons, and again leaves the ethical and competent appraiser wondering, why is the dollar adjustment method regarded with anything more than a laugh. If there really were ways to credibly extract dollar adjustments that also included a means for us to support them on paper with math, we would all be doing it and this debate would not be happening. The word credible ends up getting in the way of moving forward on this issue, as some appraisers think a credible and supported adjustment is similar to a painter opening a can of paint, throwing it on the wall, and calling it painted.

This argument would be hilarious, if it weren't for situations like the one our OP is experiencing, which all of us also experience all too often.

Again, an issue where a single voice would be a good thing.
Been away getting a raise :dancefool: so have not read past your response yet.

I am currently taking Principles of Appraising...again...because my next level of certification requires it and they won't except me based on experience. My current class assignment is to find matched pairs for 4 elements of comparison. It's due today. Good thing I have a database of matched pair sales I developed over the years to support adjustments. So...a set of 3 pairs per element should give me a supportable range of value for each element. Should take all of 10 minutes.
 
Been away getting a raise :dancefool: so have not read past your response yet.

I am currently taking Principles of Appraising...again...because my next level of certification requires it and they won't except me based on experience. My current class assignment is to find matched pairs for 4 elements of comparison. It's due today. Good thing I have a database of matched pair sales I developed over the years to support adjustments. So...a set of 3 pairs per element should give me a supportable range of value for each element. Should take all of 10 minutes.

Glad to hear you are getting a raise. Sounds like you got it all figured out.

What an outstanding database you have collected over the years! I mean, to be able to have historical data like that to cover all the different property types out there? That is impressive. You should sell that stuff. I mean, its almost unbelievable. I assume you apply time adjustments right? Would love to lay eyes on your database.
 
If we had to find matched pairs each time out, it would be nearly impossible.

As appraisers we select sales and then "match" them as paired sales, from there we adjust for all key features except the feature to be isolated out, then see the difference in price for the adjustment for that one feature. We as appraisers create the matches , since in real world it is very difficult to find "matched pairs" on a regular basis. .

I find sensitivity analysis on the grid with all comps on the grid faster and easier and leads to similar result, rather than finding each adjustment going pair by pair of sales, but every assignment can differ in what it needs.
 
Paired sales data from going back decades may or may not have any relevance to today's market.
How many cycles have we seen during the past 30 years???

If someone tells me that their data is a year or less old, then great...
If someone tells me that their data is decades old, well....
 
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