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We're Back To The Beginning

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Rick Stillman

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Let's step back for a moment, put our petty complaints aside, and really take a good look at where we are today. I am talking about residential appraising for lending.

It's not pretty.

We've been stomped on since 2008. That's not a year, or a few years, that's a flipping DECADE!

And all that time we have not managed to gather any meaningful strength of any kind. We are galley slaves.

Among many contributors here, let me point out, as an example, Eli. Year in and year out, he just keeps on "selling it" - saying things are going to get better, just wait and see. Well Eli, I don't have too many more decades to **** away, I'm sorry to say. When is enough enough?

There is no reason for things to improve. We have been infiltrated by skippies that burn and churn reports out for whatever they can get. Fees will go higher when McDonald's cooks get $25 an hour, or whatever they were protesting for. Those poor souls deserve to drive a new car too, right? If a janitor can be a "sanitary engineer" then a cook can be a "food processor specialist" I guess. Such unadulterated drivel. I'm insulted even being told this, over and over, with a straight face. Do I look stupid? Perhaps. USA - the land of the idiots. Our national flag should be the one dollar bill, because that is what everything is run on - where is the dollar? Well when we find that, then we figure out how to benefit the guy that has it. Even if it shakes the economy and brings it to its knees for almost a decade. Who cares if the masses are starving? Let them eat cake! Um, no - cut off their heads - the ones in charge I mean. It was done with good ol Marie, and it can be done again. Once the next recession hits, a few good riots and burning police cars will get someones attention - it always does, and isn't it too bad that is what it takes?

I ultimately will keep appraising as it is a good SIDE gig for some extra money. Now, the final blow that will destroy the lending part of this business is when the AMCs and lenders have their own STAFF appraisers that they can have total control over. Funny how things came back to the starting point. In the 90's the major reorganization was to get appraisers OUT of being staff and controlled by the banks. They were to be licensed, trained professionals that were independent.

Damn this country. Damn them for sucking a decade of my life away, and still lying to me telling me things will get better. You should hear the scary news I hear about the coming recession, which would already be here if it were not for the tax shifts to benefit business. We are running on borrowed time. Our economy is sinking, and we are losing industries and jobs steadily. But through it all, money talks, for sure. Follow the money and you will find the root of the problem.

And speaking of the root of the problem - if we go down, so do the billion dollar AMCs. Some of them anyway. BUT if quality is raised, then fees would go up and EVERYONE would make more money. We need muscle to fight the lenders, and we sure don't have any whatsoever. The AMCs, however, do... They are organizing and gaining strength every day. We, on the other hand, are complaining every. Single. Day. And nothing is changing, or at least not nearly fast enough. We've given it a decade. Time to slam on the brakes to this silly game. If we don't, the coming recession surely will, and it won't be pretty.

What to do? I like the idea of a Boston tea party. Publicity would be good, and isn't it ironic that Boston is in Andy Cuomo's backyard? The man that took a stand and started it all. Maybe he can show up and say a few words to the press. He likes attention, and I hope he gets a lot of it.

If we can't do something. Anything. Then we deserve what we've been getting, and will continue to get.

You want some cheese with that whine?
 
I know Rick..... All I want to do is be an independent appraiser able to make a decent honest living, retire with some part time income and go fishing and play golf. But this is America, land of the free where a few bad apples continue to spoil the pot for everyone else, and not only in appraising. :angry:
 
"USA - the land of the idiots."

"Damn this country. Damn them for sucking a decade of my life away, and still lying to me telling me things will get better"



If you hate this country so much or think its to blame for your lot in life, there are other countries you can take your valuable skills and self-pity to; maybe they'll welcome you with the highly paid position to which you think you are ENTITLED.

You ARE in control of your life; do something about it or quit f'n btchin
 
Fee Breakdown: Appraiser: $380 or less
AMC: $170 or more (in many cases, the software is setup where the lender requests their own appraisal through
use of the AMC's website & the actual AMC does nothing!)

Via the Example: Total (over-) charged to Borrower: $555 & Up
In many cases, the Borrower gets scr*wed too. There is no one out there that actually cares about : "public trust". HVCC? Dodd or Frank?? NO Gov' Give A Sh*t.
During the process, who is most upset with the appraiser? The borrower due to the high fee & we appraisers via contracts or confidentiality can not utter a word.

Rick, I feel you.
Since 1985, working harder for less net income from the (my) area of : too many appraisers & excessive AMC lender use.

There will be those that do not have the same frustrations & their Fee can be anything they request. Bad for us & good for them.

Sun-setting on, Appraising for me is a part time hobby & so is this forum.

Hope you have better days ahead!
 
Fee Breakdown: Appraiser: $380 or less
AMC: $170 or more (in many cases, the software is setup where the lender requests their own appraisal through
use of the AMC's website & the actual AMC does nothing!)

Via the Example: Total (over-) charged to Borrower: $555 & Up
In many cases, the Borrower gets scr*wed too. There is no one out there that actually cares about : "public trust". HVCC? Dodd or Frank?? NO Gov' Give A Sh*t.
During the process, who is most upset with the appraiser? The borrower due to the high fee & we appraisers via contracts or confidentiality can not utter a word.

Rick, I feel you.
Since 1985, working harder for less net income from the (my) area of : too many appraisers & excessive AMC lender use.

There will be those that do not have the same frustrations & their Fee can be anything they request. Bad for us & good for them.

Sun-setting on, Appraising for me is a part time hobby & so is this forum.

Hope you have better days ahead!


I have said this 100 times. The borrower knows upfront what the appraisal fee will be. It is in the TIL statement. The borrower DOES NOT care how the appraisal fee is paid, if there is an AMC or not. The borrower cares about getting the loan.....period. The borrower can shop for a loan long before an appraiser shows up. He can choose from lenders. One has a lower rate, one has loer closing costs, on has a lower appraisal fee. Don't believe for one minute the borrower cares where his fee goes. Why should he?
 
AMC's should just post their offerings under the gigs section of craigslist since that's what residential appraising has become. All these new residential trainees chomping at the bit to jump in under relaxed standards are in for a surprise once they have real bills to pay and families to support. I think the people promoting the future of residential appraisal and the viability of it as a career choice to college students are living in an alternate realm. I don't know anything about commercial, but it seems that is the only choice.
 
AMC's should just post their offerings under the gigs section of craigslist since that's what residential appraising has become. All these new residential trainees chomping at the bit to jump in under relaxed standards are in for a surprise once they have real bills to pay and families to support. I think the people promoting the future of residential appraisal and the viability of it as a career choice to college students are living in an alternate realm. I don't know anything about commercial, but it seems that is the only choice.
For the last several years there ave been people getting their CG license. In most of america, towns under 100,000 there may not be room for even 1 more CG. Commercial is nor exempt from changes in the market. Activity goes up and down.
 
For the last several years there ave been people getting their CG license. In most of america, towns under 100,000 there may not be room for even 1 more CG. Commercial is nor exempt from changes in the market. Activity goes up and down.

As an example. he NC number of CGs did not change at all this year from last year. By far the biggest change was trainees.
 
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most of america, towns under 100,000 there may not be room for even 1 more CG. Commercial is nor exempt from changes in the market. Activity
There has always been niche markets. Condemnation, divorce, machinery, foresters, mineral appraisers, marine surveyors, etc. Most of them are underserved and the more such work CGs take, the more difficult it is for banks to find appraisers and shortage is the name of the game. Bankers don't mind cutting our throats when appraisers are cheap but when the whip hand changes, they squeal shortage. They have a myopic view of costs. OTOH, I was in a bank today and the person who orders appraisals was probably not born the year I started in this business.
 
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