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Larry Summers says Recession is inevitable

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"There's never been a moment when we had inflation over 4% and unemployment below 4%, when we didn't have a recession within the next two years. Inflation is now well above 4%. Unemployment is now well below 4%, especially if you adjust for vacancies. So I think it's pretty likely that we're going to have a recession sometime within the next two years. I'm more confident about that than I am about what's going to happen to interest rates.”
 
I'd been watching real estate news on TV and the consensus is still it's a seller's market with prices still going up.
However, the market is not as active as 6 months ago with hundreds going through open houses.
I like to keep up with what the media is feeding the public on home prices.
If it's bad, it will feed on itself and home prices will go down.
 
Despite higher prices across the economy, consumer activity has remained strong this year, predominantly due to the large amount of savings U.S. buyers amassed during the pandemic. Whether U.S. consumers are able to continue buying through the storm of inflation will be a key factor in a recession happening or not, according to Harvard Professor Jason Furman.
 
I think we are probably in a mild recession right now and we come out of it strong next year.
 
we come out of it strong next year.
The market perhaps...but this is a much different situation than the dot.com bubble which was a high tech problem and the housing crisis which stumbled into the crisis and saw a contagion of lost jobs in the housing industry, a collapse of credit default swaps and mortgage backed securities, which damaged banking and financing became difficult for many industries leading a cascade of poor performance. Recessions need to be shallow rather than short because going to zero for 10 minutes is devastating. It's like stocks. I had a good stock that had to capitulate and file bankrupcty... $11k down the drain...but if they could have held out the first 6 months of 2020...well, they'd have made a lot of money - but if a dog hadn't stopped to take a whiz, he'd have caught the rabbit.

I am not sure this recession won't be protracted but hopefully that old slow train wreck means it will be shallower. But there are headwinds - China is aggressively fighting covid to the detriment of their own economy and production is lagging, the supply problem may be worse just as it seems to be improving. High food prices will have major impacts worldwide, particularly in the Middle East which may prompt unrest there, and Ukraine is now off the market for wheat as well as Russia. There are a lot of things that were moving smoothly that are now seeing glitch after glitch. The shutdowns in the US in 2021 in particular, led to over 1,000,000 barrels of refining capacity permanently taken off line, much to the joy of the Green party but not so much the energy buyer... That production isn't coming back. We either buy the refined product or we go without (reduce demand)...and we are now positioned to supply Europe with natural gas??? What do you think that does to NG prices here? You know, Nat gas we use to generate electricity and heat homes.
 
The market perhaps...but this is a much different situation than the dot.com bubble which was a high tech problem and the housing crisis which stumbled into the crisis and saw a contagion of lost jobs in the housing industry, a collapse of credit default swaps and mortgage backed securities, which damaged banking and financing became difficult for many industries leading a cascade of poor performance. Recessions need to be shallow rather than short because going to zero for 10 minutes is devastating. It's like stocks. I had a good stock that had to capitulate and file bankrupcty... $11k down the drain...but if they could have held out the first 6 months of 2020...well, they'd have made a lot of money - but if a dog hadn't stopped to take a whiz, he'd have caught the rabbit.

I am not sure this recession won't be protracted but hopefully that old slow train wreck means it will be shallower. But there are headwinds - China is aggressively fighting covid to the detriment of their own economy and production is lagging, the supply problem may be worse just as it seems to be improving. High food prices will have major impacts worldwide, particularly in the Middle East which may prompt unrest there, and Ukraine is now off the market for wheat as well as Russia. There are a lot of things that were moving smoothly that are now seeing glitch after glitch. The shutdowns in the US in 2021 in particular, led to over 1,000,000 barrels of refining capacity permanently taken off line, much to the joy of the Green party but not so much the energy buyer... That production isn't coming back. We either buy the refined product or we go without (reduce demand)...and we are now positioned to supply Europe with natural gas??? What do you think that does to NG prices here? You know, Nat gas we use to generate electricity and heat homes.

I don't know too much about that but it seems like things are going according to plan so far.
 
You know, Nat gas we use to generate electricity and heat homes.
They have to fire up nat gas electric generating plants to offset the loss of base generating capacity. They want to go all electric for heat. But they have no idea how inefficient electric heat really is and they don't consider the massive strain it would put on the grid
 
I think the term "restrictive levels" is the Fed's acknowledgment that their medicine may well become a bitter pill to swallow.

Things are beyond f***ed up and getting worse. Diesel price is well beyond reasonable, with shortages coming,, trucks are being parked, and even while costs are rising, freight rates are declining (as opposed to the usual reaction with "fuel surcharges"), while many are reporting bare shelves.

 
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