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Unadjusted values don't bracket the subject's value

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Imo, bracketing is not regression. It is choosing a property that has a similar feature to the subject (or a superior or inferior property to demonstrate market reaction )

. Searching by a price range can show how many sales are in that range, but I always start my primary searches for properties similar to the subject features - SF, number of bedrooms, subdivision etc. Then later I might search by price.

If you only search by price range, how do you know if there are lower or higher price sales of properties similar to the subject that were missed in the price range search? You reference a subject sale price - what do you do in a refinance or nonpurchase assignment? I search the same way for both - I search at the end for houses within a range of my market value opinion - a sale price search would also be at the end but most of the time I search around my market value opinion rather than a contract price.
I MLS search by age, GLA, lot size in the subdivision. Then a mile, then further if needed. I don't put in a price. If there is a pool, workshop, etc, I will search by that after my first search.
 
I MLS search by age, GLA, lot size in the subdivision. Then a mile, then further if needed. I don't put in a price. If there is a pool, workshop, etc, I will search by that after my first search.
you might want to try it sometime - I never used to do it, then tried it a few years ago and found for some strange reason searching by a price range can find good comps on the MLS the other searches missed.- perhaps because some RE agents put in the wrong area or SF or even the wrong housing type.
 
Imo, bracketing is not regression. It is choosing a property that has a similar feature to the subject (or a superior or inferior property to demonstrate market reaction )

. Searching by a price range can show how many sales are in that range, but I always start my primary searches for properties similar to the subject features - SF, number of bedrooms, subdivision etc. Then later I might search by price.

If you only search by price range, how do you know if there are lower or higher price sales of properties similar to the subject that were missed in the price range search? You reference a subject sale price - what do you do in a refinance or nonpurchase assignment? I search the same way for both - I search at the end for houses within a range of my market value opinion - a sale price search would also be at the end but most of the time I search around my market value opinion rather than a contract price.
My current assignment for a legal matter is a totally-gutted, partially-renovated luxury SFR with a huge partially-completed addition. I'm waiting on the builder to advise of the project cost, percentage completed, etc. I also just sent an email to 30 realtors with listings in the neighborhood (none of which are partial construction-in-progress) to ask for their perspective about the response of a typical, informed buyer to partial construction/renovation. Do peers consider their responses as an appropriate source for the downward condition/status adjustment in the SCA?
 
I also just sent an email to 30 realtors with listings in the neighborhood (none of which are partial construction-in-progress) to ask for their perspective about the response of a typical, informed buyer to partial construction/renovation. Do peers consider their responses as an appropriate source for the downward condition/status adjustment in the SCA?
Yes. Surveys of market participants are considered an acceptable source of support for adjustments. As long as there is no better support out there waiting to be found.
 
I MLS search by age, GLA, lot size in the subdivision. Then a mile, then further if needed. I don't put in a price. If there is a pool, workshop, etc, I will search by that after my first search.
Exactly. You mentioned a pool. If the subject had a pool and all your comps did not.... of course the red flags are going to go up.

The op has a beater. All the comps are superior with downward adjustments... expand the parameters of time and distance and find that elusive beater. You know.... bracket Lol. OR.... use the method Tom4value stated in I believe post #17....extract a percentage.

If you stick your head up above the crowd, someone's going to throw a rock at it. I think it says that in the Bible somewhere.
 
bracketing is not regression
actually it is just a trial and error variation thereof. Most of us did it in the grid by adjusting the factors to see which provided the lowest spread between the numbers.
It's like having all 4 bedroom comps when the subject has only 3.
A property manager-broker told me that 2 bed were hard to rent. But no one minded 4 bedrooms so long as the rents are not outrageous. So i never adjusted accordingly if I was adjusting by Square footage anyway. The only differences I found were in apartments where 2 and 3 bed homes were being rented. The additional rents reflected the fourth bedroom in part but the additional SF in part as well.
If a 10,000 SF luxury house is the only one around for 10 mile radius in a rural area, it is not rocket science to see it is not conforming.
Again, only if you make a biased assessment of the market being only "local" and not regional. There is no reason to believe that a nearby cookie cutter has any market relationship to a 10,000 SF house. So you need to expand the search area to that of the market for large executive homes. Then analyze those independently to see if, in fact, an obsolescence exists. As for 'conformity' is that word in the neighborhood definition? "Neighborhood" implies a mix of shopping, schools, houses, and retail shops, not merely housing units.
A neighborhood is an area of complementary land uses. The term neighborhood suggests a variety or balance of complementary land uses. Broad market conditions provide the background for local and neighborhood market influences that have a direct bearing on the value of the subject property.​
Appraisersblogs made this distinction
FNMA does not address the difference between “neighborhood” and “market area” as directly as HUD, and in fact blurs the distinction between the two by occasionally using the terms interchangeably. Verbiage on the 1004MC Market Conditions Addendum further clouds the issue.​
 
I search public compiled records first as they often are better updated than the MLS - see way too many Realist info that was not up to date.

I use $ to eliminate the entirely unreasonable highs and lows. So in an area of $300k homes, I will probably be searching $100k to 1,000,000 or even $500,000. Otherwise I get 90 potential comps. And at the same time, I try to bracket the acreage to 50% to 200% of the subject. Then again SF from 50% to 200% of the subject. I rarely bracket age except to eliminate "new" (unless it is new)

This usually reduces the comps I need to focus on.

And again - FNMA muddies the water by focusing on "neighborhoods" then says this.

Section XI, 403. “Generally accepted appraisal standards and our appraisal report forms require the appraiser to research, analyze, and report on the factors in the neighborhood that may affect the market value or marketability of the properties in the market area.”
I have to argue that executive homes "market area" reflects the factors impacting the value of same, not the "neighborhood factors"... In other words, these properties are marketed differently to a different clientele. And the market area, not the neighborhood will dictate whether or not an obsolescence exists.
 
... or just make stuff up and make the client happy ... :ROFLMAO:
 
Yes. Surveys of market participants are considered an acceptable source of support for adjustments. As long as there is no better support out there waiting to be found.
Of the 40 [FORTY] agents with somewhat similar listings throughout similar upscale neighborhoods, within 10 miles, NONE NONE NONE responded, possibly because the brief survey guaranteed the confidentiallity of their responses, with a caveat that a jurisdictional authority might require me to disclose the source of my survey results being submitted to Fed BK court.

Next thing was that the builder whose work stopped mid-stream because the borrower ran out of money won't discuss the partial construction with me, not even for a moment, because he is owed so many $$$$ (as I was trying to determine the total project cost - the percentage of completion to determine the outstanding $$$$ owed, as a starting point to be factored into the typical buyer's response to partial construction.) As I thought might be the case, he suggested we pay a contractor to review the construction/renovation to determine the percentage of completion.

Next step is to enlarge the search in an attempt to determine a theoretical buyer response by proxy.

I'm just not willing to guess-timate anything about this project, for all the right reasons IMO, but peer ioadvice is always appreciated--and peer advice will be cited in the report if supportive comments/advice are received.

Thanks for your consideration. [GM]
 
Of the 40 [FORTY] agents with somewhat similar listings throughout similar upscale neighborhoods, within 10 miles, NONE NONE NONE responded, possibly because the brief survey guaranteed the confidentiallity of their responses, with a caveat that a jurisdictional authority might require me to disclose the source of my survey results being submitted to Fed BK court.

Next thing was that the builder whose work stopped mid-stream because the borrower ran out of money won't discuss the partial construction with me, not even for a moment, because he is owed so many $$$$ (as I was trying to determine the total project cost - the percentage of completion to determine the outstanding $$$$ owed, as a starting point to be factored into the typical buyer's response to partial construction.) As I thought might be the case, he suggested we pay a contractor to review the construction/renovation to determine the percentage of completion.

Next step is to enlarge the search in an attempt to determine a theoretical buyer response by proxy.

I'm just not willing to guess-timate anything about this project, for all the right reasons IMO, but peer ioadvice is always appreciated--and peer advice will be cited in the report if supportive comments/advice are received.

Thanks for your consideration. [GM]
We had a builder go broke after completing about 50% of a large, "straw bale constructed" luxury home in the country. It took close to forever before another builder stepped-up who was willing to complete the project. It's hard to figure the appropriate entrepreneurial incentive for another builder to pick up where the previous one left off. Make sure & caveat your appraisal accordingly.
 
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