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No College Degree for Cert Generals or Residential Appraisers

Only a very small subset of degrees are applicable to the appraisal profession, and even those require sitting through a lot of overpriced debt exploding fluff classes. But if we're going to do the college requirement thing, do it right - only allow real estate, accounting and math related degrees!
Well the same argument could be made for any field. You still don't get it, that it is the humanities courses in college that impart the critical thinking and reasoning, and the discipline and focus of the process itself to earn a degree. That is why nearly every profession demands it and why fields like law enforcement and the military require it for higher ranks.
The appraisers here who lack an understanding of what the fundamentals are often are well-versed in statistics, yet still have no idea fundamentally of why they provide a point value !! They actually say that here. Incredible but true. They call it throwing a dart at a dart board. Many of them no longer appreciate. Go figure that out -.

The pathetic trajectory of residential lending speaks to where lack of education led. Advances in science, tech, medicine and the patents and wealth that flowed from them is what made America great.
 
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Your argument holds no water. Many of the appraisers who have degrees, whether Cert Gen or Cert Res went on to have better careers and went on to get an MAI or SRA or went into the management end. IDK how the grandfathered in Cert gens with no degree do compared to the competition. And not every graduate has high student debt. There are state colleges with lower tuition, the GI bill for service, scholarships etc. The argument from non-degree people is always along the lines above and misses the point- it is the humanities courses in college that develop the perspective and reasoning, not the hard skills courses. That is why the military, law enforcement want a degree for more responsibility and positions where decision-making and strategy prevail.

The proof is the really low performance of some appraisers who manage to pass the rote questions on a license exam, but then get stumped as soon as an assignment requires critical thinking. We see these posts all the time on here, asking for help because they are facing some difficulty in an assignment and lack the capacity to reason through it and apply what they memorized (memorized as opposed to learn, being unable to apply it other than in a rote situation )

It goes without saying there are excellent appraisers who have no degree and likely some bad ones with a degree; however, the large number of really shoddy work that the lack of entry brings about, coupled with the AMC's low fee system for profiteerign, won. Dropping the degree requirement was about getting a higher volume of warm bodies into the field who would work cheaper to benefit the AMC's and the GSE's were on board with it along with them enabling the next step down for even less qualified ( no appraisal license ) warm bodies to do the PDC collection for even less money. That is where the res mortgage lending field ended up when that first step was taken to remove the college degree. Those without degrees would have been grandfathered in and benefited. But they chose to make a resentment-filled argument and look where it ended. The reality of the outcome speaks for itself.
I get that you have an opinion, but my argument is quite sound.

Getting a degree, just for pedigree's sake, is exactly what's wrong with many professions. How many people are graduating today with degrees, but working in a job requiring none? I can name you 20 locally that are younger than 30 right now.

A CG is better because he/she have a degree in what? Sociology? Basket Weaving? There's not one single "degree" in itself that benefits the appraisal profession. Having it does not indicate excellence either, and everybody reading this just involuntarily agreed with me even if they didn't want to.

But - Do me a favor - Think more slowly about what I suggested and digest it before dismissing everything I've said. I believe an appraiser should have specific higher educational accomplishments as a qualification. You can be as liberal with that list as you want, but I fully believe biology and history are needful for teaching school, but not as needful as business, finance, accounting, law and banking, communications, etc. for the appraiser. We are the only profession that requires excellence in banking, real estate, accounting, and law yet none of that is required in the degree necessary for an appraiser.

If your whole argument sits around the fire of perception from everybody else about our profession, then I can't help you with that. College degrees are needful for some professions. Not for all.
 
You still don't get it, that it is the humanities courses in college that impart the critical thinking and reasoning,
I think a good education might improve one's critical thinking skills, but I suspect those skills are developed far younger than college. Otherwise, someone with no critical thinking skill isn't going to be 'fixed' by college. Recently I looked at the degree requirements of my alma mater for my degree. 7 less hours, no calculus, no Invertebrate Zoology, Physics, nor computer sciences. No map reading and no invertebrate paleontology even offered.
 
Only a very small subset of degrees are applicable to the appraisal profession, and even those require sitting through a lot of overpriced debt exploding fluff classes. But if we're going to do the college requirement thing, do it right - only allow real estate, accounting and math related degrees!
I think you and I agree completely. That's the crux of my argument.
 

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forget about the degree requirement...the AMC appraisal firms are going to able to certify an unlimited amount of trainee appraisers :rof:
That won't be a problem. They will be competing against appraisers who have a degree on the wall in sociology. That ought to tip the scales in our favor. :sneaky:
 
That won't be a problem. They will be competing against appraisers who have a degree on the wall in sociology. That ought to tip the scales in our favor. :sneaky:

Well, as it is now you’re competing with Uber drivers who barely made it through high school with a 1.4 Gpa. Soon to be foreigners that never even went to school.

To paraphrase Billy Bob in landman, “for a felon with an eighth grade education 100 K a year job working for regorra is a winning lottery ticket. “
 
Getting rid of any college degree requirement makes perfect sense. Form filling, check boxing data collectors do not need a college degree.
 
forget about the degree requirement...the AMC appraisal firms are going to able to certify an unlimited amount of trainee appraisers :rof:

I remember one of those snake oil pushers telling the board that if his AMC can provide MLS services all around the country, then an appraiser of his sitting in Texas should be able to sign off on reports all over the country. I think they started asking him some questions about that and he threatened them with a lawsuit.
 
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