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FANNIE bonds with AMCs, over your dead low paid body.

We've been through this 100x. I favor mandatory disclosure if for no other reason that to shut the critics up on that issue.

I just don't expect that to result in higher fees being paid to the appraiser. I give that maybe a 10% chance of occurring.

I foresee the distinct possibility of the disclosures looking like this.

$300 - AMCs end​
$350 - Appraiser's end​
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$650 - All appraisal related costs​
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Then if - as you predict - the borrowers do get mad about the AMC getting paid that much then this is the next logical step

$100 - AMCs end​
$350 - Appraiser's end​
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$450 - All appraisal related costs. Hooray, the borrower wins.​
 
We've been through this 100x. I favor mandatory disclosure if for no other reason that to shut the critics up on that issue.

I just don't expect that to result in higher fees being paid to the appraiser. I give that maybe a 10% chance of occurring.

$300 - AMCs end
$350 - Appraiser's end
-------
$650 - All appraisal related costs
Your ignoring the competition it would create on AMC fees. AMC fee might be $20. Lender might gladly pay the AMC directly for $20.
 
Your ignoring the competition it would create on AMC fees. AMC fee might be $20. Lender might gladly pay the AMC directly for $20.
No problemo

$20 - AMCs end
$350 - Appraiser's end
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$370 - All appraisal related costs. Hooray, the borrower wins even harder.

You guys let me know what you think it would take for the AMCs to run into the scenario where they wouldn't still be able to run the line on you that "if you won't do it for $350 then we'll just go find someone else who will".
 
USPAP could require the appraiser to collect their fee at the door...for pubic trust sake :rof:
 
No problemo

$20 - AMCs end
$350 - Appraiser's end
-------
$370 - All appraisal related costs. Hooray, the borrower wins even harder.

You guys let me know what you think it would take for the AMCs to run into the scenario where they wouldn't still be able to run the line on you that "if you won't do it for $350 then we'll just go find someone else who will".
You are ignoring how market forces work in a free market.
 
USPAP could require the appraiser to collect their fee at the door...for pubic trust sake :rof:
Do you even USPAP, bro?

USPAP doesn't prohibit appraisers from collecting their fee at the door. Nor does USPAP require appraisers to collect their fee from a lender or client. There's nothing to change in USPAP that relates to "who pays". The contingent engagement/contingent fee issues are about bias and advocacy, not the mode of payment as such.
 
Listen to this lender said don't cancel until cancellation fee approved. I would rather complete the assignment at this point than them cancel. That was Friday when they cancelled. I'll take half original appraisal fee of $650 if they want to cancel. 1/2 fee will be $325. But I have already spent hours and hours on it before they wanted to cancel.
Lender told me to go ahead with full appraisal (exterior only). I am happy and working on it right now. I have spoke with homeowner several times. Homeowner was trying to work out with VA and Lender. I told homeowner I have to move ahead because of VA rules. I hope you can work things out, but I have to do exterior only from street if you don't give me access.

Lender said go ahead with 2055. I am happy. If lender would have said I need full interior, I would have gladly called veteran back and said lender says I need to come inside. When can I come?

The the total fee would have went up another $150. From $650 to $800 with full 1004 and interior and exterior.

I had already inspected for 2055 from street and veteran knew that. I made it clear and took all the comp pictures and preliminary market analysis.

I am not going back to do interior without being compensated. My effective date would have to change. My preliminary market analysis would change based on effective date.

My administrative cost increases. My travel expenses increase.
 
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Are appraisers for real estate appraisal assignments from AMC's complaining about their pay?

Let us know the answer! :)

AI Overview

Yes, real estate appraisers frequently complain about low pay, fee compression, and high, non-transparent fees charged by Appraisal Management Companies (AMCs)
. Many appraisers report that while consumer costs have risen, their compensation has remained stagnant or decreased, leading to frustration over AMCs taking a large portion of the total fee.
Key points regarding appraiser complaints about AMC compensation:
  • Low Fee Splits: Appraisers often report that AMCs take a significant percentage of the appraisal fee, leaving them with reduced compensation for their expertise.
  • Fee Compression: A shrinking mortgage market has exacerbated fee pressure, causing AMCs to seek the lowest-cost, fastest-turnaround providers.
  • Lack of Transparency: Appraisers complain that AMCs hide their markup, with some prohibiting appraisers from attaching their own invoices to reports.
  • Stagnant Pay: Many experienced appraisers claim their pay has not increased in over 20 years, making it difficult to maintain a sustainable business.
  • Increased Workload: Along with lower pay, complaints include unreasonable turnaround times and an high number of revision requests.
Despite these complaints, some in the industry note that AMCs provide services like handling revisions and finding clients, and that appraisers can choose to work with, or avoid, specific companies.

Looks like we have a consensus.
The fly in the ointment is that independent appraisers were doing appraisals for all kinds of lenders for decades, but with Dodd Franck, entities (AMCs perhaps) sold lenders on the AMCs providing SOooooooo much value to them; probably had their salespeople attend every lender workshop, convention, etc from coast to coast to perpetuate that bull. As independent appraisers all across the nation, we do not have representatives at every lender meeting to pitch the value of US. On the other hand, if lenders had to pay AMCs separately from the appraisal fee, perhaps we would have more opting to hire us directly. Still, if they are obsessed with eliminating a teensy part of the loan process by outsourcing appraisal ordering, that is pitiful. When I worked for one lender, part of my job was to hire appraisers, and it wasn't an overwhelming difficult task whatsoever. And that was before internet search engines that could find info in milliseconds. I ordered appraisal from entities who had proved themselves responsive, competent and accurate. Not so very hard.

So if lenders have signed contracts with AMCs, it's very likely independent appraisers lose the opportunity to independently be hired by those lenders.... due to the AMC contracts which have removed that option. Restraint of trade, anybody?...
 
TAF and USPAP can't jump fast enough to issue revisions and convoluted explanations that help out the breakfast club. But their hands are tied when it comes to public trust.
 
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