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1004D for owner occupied

Tom4value

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Certified Residential Appraiser
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Massachusetts
Did an appraisal last month on a SF where the borrower/owner was a contractor. He delayed the inspection for two weeks because he wasn’t done with the repairs/renovation. Lender wanted it done “as-is”. Finally got it done.

Last week I got an order to do a 1004D. Reported back that I was confused because I submitted the report “as-is”. What did they want me to check? They came back that they wanted me to verify that the property was owner-occupied. I get it. Back when I did mortgages the loan terms were different for owner-occupied vs. investor. However, they verified that with a mailed bill of a gas, water, electric, etc. We never had an appraiser verify that.

They were paying me $150 so I thought “ok, get it done”. I am a big fan of the ‘70s show, “Columbo” (yeah, I am that old!) so I thought of items he would look for and questions he would ask. I took pictures of personal items, I looked in the refrigerator and saw food in there, even saw photos in the living room that had him in it (didn’t take photos of the last two). I even asked a question that began with, “Oh, just one more thing”!

Bottom line, I walked away about 99% sure he was going to live there. I put in my 1004D “It appears that it is owner-occupied”.My question is, anyone else do a 1004D for owner-occupied?
 
I've never been asked for one!
A strange request ! The lender could install a webcam and film the place and spy on the guy --to see if he lives there-eek
 
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I've never been asked for one!
A strange request ! The lender could install a webcam and film the place and spy on the guy --to see if he lives there-eek
Yeah, weird and not very definitive. All I proved was there were personal items there. For all I knew, they could have been a tenant’s stuff and he brought the picture to throw me off.
 
Yeah, weird and not very definitive. All I proved was there were personal items there. For all I knew, they could have been a tenant’s stuff and he brought the picture to throw me off.
I just got conditioned for reporting the total reconstruction of a fire-damaged SFR as "Vacant" rather than "Tenant" occupied apparently because the property is being purchased as an investment--even though it hasn't been finaled, although the re-builder says an occ cert isn't needed because it's not new construction. I shall find out when the world re-opens Mon morning. [ But back to your post....of all the things that should be beoynd the SOW is occupancy, no more so than use because real property isn't being addressed....]
 
I just got conditioned for reporting the total reconstruction of a fire-damaged SFR as "Vacant" rather than "Tenant" occupied apparently because the property is being purchased as an investment--even though it hasn't been finaled, although the re-builder says an occ cert isn't needed because it's not new construction. I shall find out when the world re-opens Mon morning. [ But back to your post....of all the things that should be beoynd the SOW is occupancy, no more so than use because real property isn't being addressed....]
If it is vacant as of the effective date of the appraisal, it is “vacant”.
 
Maybe the new 'tenant' was at work. And he's sitting on the couch like he lives there, for your inspection and a better rate. And you checked off, owner occupant.
 
Yes. But vacant doesn't mean no one is home at the time you visit.
Is an occupant of every unit of a 4-unit res income property EVER available when the inspection is scheduled??? Answer: NEVER EVER no matter how well the inspection is scheduled....
 
Maybe the new 'tenant' was at work. And he's sitting on the couch like he lives there, for your inspection and a better rate. And you checked off, owner occupant.
"Vacant" doesn't mean nobody presently there. It means that no one is living there. There are no personal items.
 
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