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JG...I repeat, when this market crashes again, (which is very likely), they will come at us again with "they over-valued my property" and they will point to those distressed sales as proof. I'd rather explain it to them in the appraisal, rather than in court - much easier on the pocket book & preferable with E&O.

If you would rather explain it in court, be my guest. And I have little doubt that appraisers like you will representing the side of "they over-valued my property" with your "why wouldn't a buyer buy that property?" mantra.
 
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JG...I repeat, when this market crashes again, (which is very likely), they will come at us again with "they over-valued my property" and point to those distressed sales as proof. I'd rather explain it to them in the appraisal, rather than in court - much easier on the pocket book & preferable with E&O.

If you would rather explain it in court, be my guest. And I have little doubt that appraisers like you will representing the side of "they over-valued my property" with your "why wouldn't a buyer buy that property?" BS.

quite the opposite, Res Guy. I was trying to be polite about asking you why no focus was made on the fact that only 4 more expensive sales were found. I'd be far less likely to over value a newer section simply because it is new. If you over value the subject, all that stuff about REO's and distress sales on the MC page is not going to help. The focus will be on the 48 non REO sales and why the subject sold so much higher than they did.
 
JG...I repeat, when this market crashes again, (which is very likely), they will come at us again with "they over-valued my property" and point to those distressed sales as proof. I'd rather explain it to them in the appraisal, rather than in court - much easier on the pocket book & preferable with E&O.

If you would rather explain it in court, be my guest. And I have little doubt that appraisers like you will representing the side of "they over-valued my property" with your "why wouldn't a buyer buy that property?" BS.

Good morning RG!!!

The older I get the more I appreciate anticipating potential problems. So while I do understand and applaud you anticipating potential real estate problems I believe your comments maybe overly dramatic. :)
 
Good morning RG!!!

The older I get the more I appreciate anticipating potential problems. So while I do understand and applaud you anticipating potential real estate problems I believe your comments maybe overly dramatic. :)
Morning UC,

Yeah, you're probably right. They wouldn't come after us with lower priced sales to try to prove that we over-valued their property. Like anyone would do something like that for financial gain. They all understand the market as much as we do and realize that those sales (probably supported by the CU tool as a comp) were not good indicators of market value. Yeah...those few minutes of pasting the research (that is required to find out their influence on the market anyway), was such a poor time investment. What was I thinking? lol
 
I have some real life analysis of a well known neighborhood in Nashville

Nashville isn't Thompson's Station. How stratified is the demographic of TS, population 2,500 or so? It's those kinds of places where the MC looks idiotic.

More blame the bad appraiser rhetoric. And the way to fix it is to provide a misleading form to be fill out.
Have to agree. The form works perhaps in the sort of city that Wiley describes, but for tons of us, much, if not most, of our work would be in small villages, rural communities and not cookie cutter suburbia. Our gated communities hold in cows. Further, I hear people talk about someone not doing "real" market analysis but again, where is the evidence of that? Judging what appraisers have done over the years based upon the review of appraisals flagged because they were flawed does not automatically mean that all appraisers used flawed data. Reviews rarely get to see "good" reports. And even in those instances where the report did not include more than broiler plate identical report-to-report "market analysis"...so what? Does that mean the appraiser did not know the market? Or, simply did not report it in detail and got about the business of valuing the property instead of adding more mindless blather to the report? For the life of me, half of the forms used by Fannie ask for information that will not impact the value in any form or fashion.

Has anyone ever changed final value because you had the census tract wrong? Or, one of the comps was on the other side of the census tract line? Ever change a value because a property was on the west instead of the east side of a road? Ever pondered the purpose of "map reference" or make an adjustment because one house was all electric, one was natural gas, and one was on propane? We are asked to differentiate things that are perfectly meaningless in terms of value. Never mind we probably don't know there is an ex-con next door, a meth lab, etc. I just saw a sale where the MLS does not mention what was common knowledge of the bank/owner and the Realtor. It was the Realtor's brother who served the papers on the owner with two deputies in tow. And the man served threatened to kill the attorney for doing so. As soon as the court ruled in favor of the bank, the dwelling burned to the ground. Was any of that mentioned in the MLS? So the buyer is from 200 miles away and has no idea that the three closest families are the father, sister and son of the person foreclosed upon...and it was the father who made the threat, and he has been in a gun fight before and isn't afraid of another. I was valuing another farm 20 miles away and the buyer told me he looked at that place and decided against it because he would not feel safe. No appraiser (except me since I had valued it ) would know that fact and yet it was undisclosed in the MLS or disclosures. So how useful is the MC when things are actually serious...?

I think the 1004MC form needs to be revised to show eight three month periods
Again, the problem I see is the lack of data to provide meaningful analysis. I am not going to judge "market conditions" based on two low or high sales, and without a number of sales or a long term view of sales, the notion I can pick "low" from "high" is nonsensical. Statistically significant data requires a minimum of sales. When that threshold is not reached, then the only other way is pairing over time which is more judgment than math.
 
Fannie is not as stupid as some think. Yes, the MC form can mean scant data. And where there is scant data, few sales, it means something. In a rural or sparsely populated area it may mean there simply are very few sales, period. In a populated area with many sales, it can mean, among other things, that the comps, (and by extension the subject) are not typical, or are priced above or below predominant etc.

I agree the MC form is not sufficient for analysis and markets need additional analysis but the MC form does serve the purpose Fannie intended. It does isolate and show how many sales and listings in past year compete/are comparable to subject .
 
Fannie is not stupid. But they are backed by the tax payers.
Does Fannie even read the MC form? It is not UAD format.
Maybe they will have a 1005 Job Market Form, 1006 Oil Prices Form, 1008 Political Influence Form, 1009 Interest Rate Form, 1010 Inflation Form, 1011 Stock Market Form.
 
We certainly have our share or rural properties in Tennessee. The 1004MC form works in any area, if it is completed correctly - because completing it correctly means adding more when that is needed. :)

"In town" I had to add more over half the time. "In the country" I had to add more virtually every time. The grid on the 1004MC is just gives a universal starting point. As Tim noted, the appraiser is free to add whatever is necessary. Forms don't restrict analysis, people do.
 
If the MC form is supposed to be restricted to only those properties that compete with / are comps for subject, then add more of what?

It seems the solution when more data is needed of less comparable sales to supplement trend conclusion is do a second MC form, as Res Guy did, and paste it in, or additional analysis and dont' paste it but providing it gives a visual to support /
 
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