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3.6 The promises, the predictions, the panic and the fight for the dwindling appraiser dollars

Most of our time/effort is spent on data qualification - cleaning the data up enough to use it. That includes sussing out the subject property attributes. The analyses which follow generally don't take that much time/effort.

Broker comments in a listing are nice and all, but the appraiser is still going to form their own opinions about that property prior to making the selection (first) and the subsequent comparisons, opinions and conclusions which follow. Sometimes the appraiser will agree with the broker's characterization but sometimes they won't.
 
It does not bother me at all when people criticize UAD 3.6. But, if people want to criticize, they should understand the thing they are criticizing. The UAD is just a data spec. It does not dictate any specific user interface that must be used to get to that data spec. Anyone who has tested the various software solutions out there can easily see that the various companies have taken very varied approaches to the user interface. And automated adjustments/ratings has nothing to do with the UAD. That is just a fact, not a defense or "damage control" :)
It's crap. Really.

I asked Claude: To what extent do you see weaknesses in UAD 3.6 in terms of thoroughness, in terms of making a significant dent in the quality of the appraisal process for residential property?

Claude: "This is a great question, and one where your decades of experience with both the appraisal process and the data engineering side gives you a uniquely informed perspective. Here's my honest assessment of where UAD 3.6 falls short of its ambitions:

The fundamental tension is that UAD 3.6 is primarily a data standardization effort, not a methodology reform effort. It improves the consistency of how data is reported without deeply addressing how conclusions are reached. That's a significant limitation.

Some specific weaknesses I see:

Adjustment support remains shallow. UAD 3.6 collects more granular property characteristics, but it doesn't require or even strongly encourage rigorous quantitative support for adjustments. An appraiser can still pull adjustment amounts from "experience" or rules of thumb with minimal accountability. The spec standardizes the inputs and outputsbut largely treats the analytical middle as a black box. This is precisely the gap your RCA methodology addresses — treating adjustments as derived quantities from statistical models rather than subjective estimates.

Comparability analysis is underspecified. The criteria for comparable selection remain largely qualitative. UAD 3.6 doesn't define quantitative thresholds for what makes a comp "comparable" in terms of distance, time, or feature similarity. Two appraisers can select radically different comp sets for the same subject and both comply fully.

Spatial and temporal dimensions are primitive. There's no real framework for modeling market trends over time or spatial value gradients across neighborhoods. Location is captured but not in a way that supports the kind of spatial smoothing or clustering you're doing with PostGIS and rgeoda. Neighborhood delineation remains largely subjective.

Condition and quality ratings (C1–C6, Q1–Q6) are still ordinal buckets that compress a lot of continuous variation into coarse categories. Two C3 properties can differ meaningfully, and the spec doesn't capture that nuance well.

The spec doesn't address model transparency or reproducibility. There's no requirement that an appraisal's analytical process be reproducible by another competent appraiser given the same data — which is arguably a core scientific standard that USPAP gestures toward but UAD 3.6 doesn't operationalize.

Highest and best use analysis remains formulaic. The four-test framework is captured as structured fields, but the actual economic analysis behind it is still largely narrative and uncheckable.

What UAD 3.6 does do well is reduce the "garbage in" problem — standardized enumerations, better validation, cleaner data pipelines. That's genuinely valuable for downstream analytics and for aggregate quality monitoring by the GSEs. But it's solving the data hygiene problem, not the analytical rigor problem.

The deeper issue is arguably structural: the GSEs need appraisals to flow through a standardized pipeline at scale, which pushes toward simplification. Meanwhile, defensible valuation — especially the kind that holds up in litigation — demands the sort of methodological depth that resists easy standardization. Your approach of encoding the compliance layer in Prolog while keeping the statistical methodology in R and earth/MARS is a pragmatic way to bridge that gap, but it's a solution that lives outside what UAD 3.6 itself provides."

The GSEs have always had their head stuck in the swamp, the mud and of course the sand.

[Note: I was, for some reason, asked to join a Texas-based appraiser forum, supposedly to discuss statistics. Maybe that will come. But for some reason, in last week's meeting, they took off on a tangent about UAD 3.6. Good God! I am out of there!! - Well, although I couldn't really decipher what they were or are up to. Maybe they are just laying down a battlefield front. Who knows? One must be cautious! I think too many "players" in the typical GSE business opportunities. The usual. The usual. No breakthroughs. Just more of the same ol', same ol' BS. ]
 
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What we’re really seeing in this profession isn’t just an economic issue—it’s a philosophical one.

Most residential appraisers aren’t wired like typical W2 employees. They (we) value independence, control over their schedule, and autonomy in their work far more than things like benefits, structure, or even income stability itself. That’s why many will tolerate declining fees, increased scope, and growing complexity—because the tradeoff is still worth it, and I believe for many it will continue to be until it becomes impossible to keep the lights on so to speak.

As long as that independence remains, most will find a way to adapt to the bitter end, even if it’s begrudgingly.

A W2 worker in some hypothetical field facing similar changes would be on indeed already, reaching out to contacts, and getting the 2 week notice ready. That is just the difference in mentalities. And, it exists in most self-employment situations, not just ours. It takes a catastrophic event to force change.

Some think residential appraisal is heading toward a AMC W2-style model with fixed schedules, direct oversight & reduced flexibility. That’s the breaking point in my opinion. At that stage, appraisal is no longer being compared to self-employment… it’s being compared to every other job. And then the questions change: Why deal with the stress, liability, and complexity of appraisal versus something with better pay, benefits, or work-life balance? This of course is focused toward lending work and my theory not enough private work exists to support most in the field right now. That has been a long going debate here and time will tell.

That’s where you’ll see real attrition.

The key difference is behavioral:
A W2 worker leaves when conditions deteriorate.
A self-employed appraiser absorbs it—until independence is threatened.

That’s the line in the sand.

We see so many argue about fees & scope. But the truth is neither are primary drivers for most appraisers. Independence is the driver. Look at the cost of self employment health insurance and other SE costs. Almost any price is worth paying for freedom when someone is wired the way most of us are. Thats just the way it is.

The real question isn’t whether change is coming. The exit door will be taken when either

- Cant keep the lights on no matter how much the sacrifice.

or

- The independence has been taken away, and now it is truly no different than any W2 alternative.

That's it. It really is that simple in my mind.
 
And there you have it. Many appraisers got into this line of work for the lifestyle, to more or less be their own boss. Many appraisers will (and already have) take a hit on their income if their alternative is to go back to work as an employee.

That's not a criticism. It's just an acknowledgement of the prevailing nature among fee appraisers.
 
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"The key difference is behavioral:
A W2 worker leaves when conditions deteriorate.
A self-employed appraiser absorbs it—until independence is threatened."


As in most things in life, change is resisted until finally we reach...
"The Point of Critical Unworkability."

And honestly, probably more than 1/2 the time, after we finally abandon the past and the way we have done things or tolerated things, or settled for things...
we find that the move/change is both liberating and more financially rewarding. Probably the grindingly unpleasant & aggravating part of it all is coming to the conclusion that leaving the old behind is the best solution.
I am reminded of the positive change in perception of our circumstances: "Nothing happens TO me; everything happens FOR me!"
 
"The key difference is behavioral:
A W2 worker leaves when conditions deteriorate.
A self-employed appraiser absorbs it—until independence is threatened."


As in most things in life, change is resisted until finally we reach...
"The Point of Critical Unworkability."

And honestly, probably more than 1/2 the time, after we finally abandon the past and the way we have done things or tolerated things, or settled for things...
we find that the move/change is both liberating and more financially rewarding. Probably the grindingly unpleasant & aggravating part of it all is coming to the conclusion that leaving the old behind is the best solution.
I am reminded of the positive change in perception of our circumstances: "Nothing happens TO me; everything happens FOR me!"
Residential mortgage lending work has reached that tipping point.

It was always a tough profession, but on the other side, but in the past, there was a possibility of a decent income or the option of working for oneself. . The opportunity to work for oneself is not for everyone; however, it appeals to a certain independent and stubborn personality, which is a plus in being able to withstand the pressures of appraisal.

The shrinking volume of res work due to Fannie and Freddie decisions to use waiver/value acceptance, combined with accepting PDR "data collections" from non-appraisers, combined with continued AMC fee predation, combined with increasing ROV activity and scrutiny, along with other factors, has made the field on the res license side reach a tipping point of critical unworkability.
 
Nobody sees what I see, I guess.

Time to add my 2 cents worth on top of what Claude said about UAD 3.6:

UAD 3.6 is a horrendous waste of time. It's adding significant inefficiency on top of the already highly inefficient appraisal system. I'm thinking about all those UAD 3.6 meetings, the planning, rewriting software, testing, documentation, training, and on and on, just to force dropdowns on appraisers so they can't fill in "garbage." No doubt tens of thousands of people are involved. The dropdowns themselves are just garbage in many cases.

From my perspective, there is little difference between a UAD 3.6 appraisal and the old Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. The GSE's have just put a mask on something that is and always was ugly. No way around it. It is what it is.

So, what really is the end result of all this expense? Compared to the real problems, appraisal has been suffering over the past several decades; not much will really improve.

The appraisal system is fundamentally flawed, relying on an unreal Walter Mitty version of the world. It gets a big fat dunce cap.

This is NOT a philosophical issue. It is an economic issue that revolves around economic inefficiency. An inefficiency that makes it nearly impossible for businesses and people to make good decisions, and to have confidence in value conclusions from appraisers.

I am sure AI will fix these problems given enough time. If you want to deal with UAD 3.6, that is your own choice. But I wouldn't waste too much time with it.
 
Another factor in unworkability is the license renewal fee. I lived in WI for many years. Renew Cert Res Appraisal license fee in WI: $60. Renew Cert Res Appraisal license fee in CA: $1030. :eyecrazy:
 
What we’re really seeing in this profession isn’t just an economic issue—it’s a philosophical one.

Most residential appraisers aren’t wired like typical W2 employees. They (we) value independence, control over their schedule, and autonomy in their work far more than things like benefits, structure, or even income stability itself. That’s why many will tolerate declining fees, increased scope, and growing complexity—because the tradeoff is still worth it, and I believe for many it will continue to be until it becomes impossible to keep the lights on so to speak.

As long as that independence remains, most will find a way to adapt to the bitter end, even if it’s begrudgingly.

A W2 worker in some hypothetical field facing similar changes would be on indeed already, reaching out to contacts, and getting the 2 week notice ready. That is just the difference in mentalities. And, it exists in most self-employment situations, not just ours. It takes a catastrophic event to force change.

Some think residential appraisal is heading toward a AMC W2-style model with fixed schedules, direct oversight & reduced flexibility. That’s the breaking point in my opinion. At that stage, appraisal is no longer being compared to self-employment… it’s being compared to every other job. And then the questions change: Why deal with the stress, liability, and complexity of appraisal versus something with better pay, benefits, or work-life balance? This of course is focused toward lending work and my theory not enough private work exists to support most in the field right now. That has been a long going debate here and time will tell.

That’s where you’ll see real attrition.

The key difference is behavioral:
A W2 worker leaves when conditions deteriorate.
A self-employed appraiser absorbs it—until independence is threatened.

That’s the line in the sand.

We see so many argue about fees & scope. But the truth is neither are primary drivers for most appraisers. Independence is the driver. Look at the cost of self employment health insurance and other SE costs. Almost any price is worth paying for freedom when someone is wired the way most of us are. Thats just the way it is.

The real question isn’t whether change is coming. The exit door will be taken when either

- Cant keep the lights on no matter how much the sacrifice.

or

- The independence has been taken away, and now it is truly no different than any W2 alternative.

That's it. It really is that simple in my mind.


If a person wants to continue as an independent appraiser and is committed they will expand credentials and get an MAI/SRA or a real estate focused graduate degree from a prestigious college so they are in strong position for complex, legal and private work. Mortgage appraisal is rapidly transitioning to data collection for a macro product where occasional error has zero effect on bulk securities. Individual products will still need a human but a drastic reduction in numbers and more emphasis on credentials.
 
So I'm getting survey after survey from AMCs and lenders, etc all asking me to indicate if I'm ready to accept UAD 3.6. So...is anybody ready? Are UAD 3.6 assignments currently being performed? Anybody?
 
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