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A few questions on REO Appraisal Procedure

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What is the best way to determine difference in value for quick sale or liquidation sales?

The client didn't specify in my report what market exposure time they want.

There aren't a lot of REO's. The DOM's for the few I have are spread out.

Any advice?
 
What is the best way to determine difference in value for quick sale or liquidation sales?

The client didn't specify in my report what market exposure time they want.

There aren't a lot of REO's. The DOM's for the few I have are spread out.

Any advice?


Dude, you need to find an appraiser in your market to help you or you need to return the assignment to the bank because if you need help with these questions, there is no telling what you have no idea you are missing in the report that you are not asking about.
 
Since this is my 1st REO appraisal I have a few stupid questions. Most of my research is done and the report is well on it's way to completion.

COMPETENCY RULE
Prior to accepting an assignment or entering into an agreement to perform any assignment, an appraiser must properly identify the problem to be addressed and have the knowledge and experience to complete
the assignment competently; or alternatively, must:
1. disclose the lack of knowledge and/or experience to the client before accepting the assignment; :shrug:


Only 1 question: Was the client advised PRIOR to accepting the assignment?
 
It's only advice.

What is the best way to determine difference in value for quick sale or liquidation sales?

The client didn't specify in my report what market exposure time they want.

There aren't a lot of REO's. The DOM's for the few I have are spread out.

Any advice?

First, you MEANT TO SAY the client did not specify in your ENGAGEMENT what amount of time they wanted analyized for a quick sale time for two of the four values.

AND due to that, my advice is for you to withdraw from this assignment.

My reasons for the above are that any appraiser that does not comprehend that they have not followed the SOW Rule (and hence violate the Ethics Rule) in the process of accepting the engagement, because they are not allowed to pull the number of days for a reduced marketing time out of their own azz and that the client MUST state what the client's parameters are for that in the engagement, shouldn't be taking on such assignments.

Riddle me this. If the client fails to state what the client says is the "reduced" marketing time as per the client, how in the ding dong do you determine if the client requested reduced marketing time represents Market Value or Liquidation Value? If the client tells you 30 days for their "Quick Sale" target marketing time, what does that mean if the vast majority of comparable sales have all sold in 30 days or less? What if a client says they want a "Quick Sale" time of 60 days, and all similar comparable property sold in 45 days or less? What if all the comps took 120 days to sell, or 360 days? How would the later question affect the analyses of needed discounts?
 
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Tim, does your addendum allow for adjustments to the active listings?

I have this form as well but it doesn't allow for adjustments of the listings.

I have ACI software and I have 2 options:

Supplemental REO Appraisal Addendum = doesn't all for adjustments but has 4 values
Supplemental REO Appraisal Addendum - 2008 = allows for adjustments but only has 2 values

Since the client has clearly stated they want all 4 values listed on the REO addendum I guess I should be using the regular addendum, but it doesn't seem logical not making adjustments.

I use ACI I use the REO addendum with the 4 values and no adjustments for listings. I also use those listings on the sales grid as comps 4-6, 7-9 whatever, I boldly type in my sales comparison comments sales comparables 4-6 (etc) are listings they are the lisitngs 1-3 on the REO addenum they will be referred within this commnetary as Comparable (listing) 4, etc on the photos I lable then Comparable 4/ REO listing 1 etc.

Do not let the forms get in the way just be as clear as you can. REO work is much more time consuming than regular lender work.
 
Webbed Feet (Post# 14):

You refer to the "client requested . . . marketing time."

[Please note that in this post I'm not concerned about whether it is increased or reduced relative to the typical marketing/exposure time.]

All 4 values in the 2009 REO addendum are described in the form as "market exposure."

I'm trying to understand the REO concept and value definition(s) and the verbiage is confusing.

Question: Are values 3 and 4 marketing- or exposure-related?

Thank you.
 
Mr. Boyd (Post# 10).

You reference a prior PM that you wrote in which you describe the scenario in which the client "want to sell it in less time than most properties take to sell."

Are you referring to the REO concept in general, or the client-imposed requirements in a specific assignment, in which the client-imposed requirements happen to be less than the typical market exposure established in the report?

Towards that end, if the client-imposed requirement is more/greater/longer than the actual market exposure, how does one determine the result? Would that scenario require the appraiser to estimate market reaction in the future?

Are REO values in the future similar to a prospective appraisal? If so, should the definition of value be stated accordingly?

I'm struggling with the market time versus market exposure dichotomy; this question relates the the question I asked Webbed Feet, above.
 
the REO concept in general,

Are REO values in the future similar to a prospective appraisal?

I'm struggling with the market time versus market exposure dichotomy;

Those are some very relevant things to struggle over and I'm not sure I know enough to answer them or even provide a good opinion. Maybe Web, Wiley and Hicks can help out.

The REO concept has become form driven. The REO assignment's purpose is to extract information from the appraiser about the subject property and the past, current and future market conditions so the client can make a semi-informed decision as to the disposition of property on their hands.

I think it's more like a consulting assignment but the form format doesn't go far enough either because those that dictate the format (by designing the form or requiring its use) don't know the right questions or intentionally not wanting something more complicated, time consuming and costly. But the liability to the appraiser is still the same or almost the same as if they had been engaged in a consulting assignment.

What the form doesn't make clear is that the client is really asking: "What should we do with this property?" as opposed to "What's this property worth as is assuming regular exposure, as repaired assuming regular exposure, as is at a forced, client mandated exposure, and as repair at a forced, client mandted expsoure. The form causes serial confusion by mixing exposure time and marketing time into the term "market exposure."

The confusion is compounded by including only one definition of value (market value) which is based on reasonable exposure (not to mention reasonable effort). As soon as we start forming opinions based on non-market exposure we're talking about different types of value (such as liquidation value.) If the exposure time is reduced too much one has to start considering the question whether or not it is enough time to execute an orderly marketing plan. This is another type of value.

The other problems I see with the "REO concept" is the timing in the "as repaired" scenarios under both exposure time parameters. The value conclusion is based on the date of value (today) but if repairs are to be made before the marketing time clock starts ticking then a prospective valuation is likely to have occurred. And who discounts the prospective sale price back to the current date of value?

Just think of the $40,000 in repairs the OP's property requires. If it takes 60 days to complete those repairs, or more likely 90 days, then the clock on the projected time to sell the property may not start until the market is already less than the actual cost of the repairs let alone the profit estimated on those repairs. The property may chase the market down for another six months while the client tries to recoup their additional investment.
 
Thank you for the explanation, including examples, although additional questions.

An epiphany: Time between the "as is" effective date reported in the 1004 and the first 2 values in the REO addendum, and the point in time in the future at the end of the client imposed exposure/marketing period, would be exposure time rather than marketing time because it would/will have expired prior to that date.

However, values 3 and 4 are in the future, and AO-7 indicates that "marketing time . . . [is] after the effective date of an appraisal."

However, the corresponding AO-7 Application to Client Use indicates that the opinion of value cannot be defined as "market value" if the client imposed time differs from the exposure period reported--although the period is termed "exposure" in the Application.

In retrospect I should have asked about the application and implications of "limiting conditions" in a REO assignment.
 
However, values 3 and 4 are in the future,

No they're not. The value opinion is still as of the effective date. Instead of the value being based on the six months (or eight months, or 24 months or whatever months) it commonly takes to market and sell a property of this class the appraiser is developing the current value based on whatever exposure time the client has asked for.
 
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