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GirleeGurl

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I was wondering if this aluminum wiring has been remedied by a general contractor, will this be okay with FHA? They said it was changed so that only aluminum wiring was going to aluminum and the copper was going to copper. The house was uninsurable previous to the fix. Now it has had a 4 point inspection and insurance can be written on the home. I have a buyer that wants to do a FHA loan to buy it and the Realtor isnt sure if the appraiser will be okay with the fix. thought?m2:
 
this is for a house in Brandon, FL
 
Aluminum wiring used to be the standard.

We learned later that aluminum wiring caused increased vibrational frequencies that often started fires when it interacted while charged, with other metals.

So as the materials of the industry changed, the aluminum wiring became more of a concern.

It can be remediated and still be safe with aluminium wiring in place, if they 'pigtail' the lines. That is something about a coupling or retrofit which hinders the heat effects created by 2 different metals passing off that continous flow of electricity.

FPE panels are the noted offenders, but I won't call a subject to fix for FPE panel. I will however, state that I'm not an expert, and I deferr to the opinion of a professional home inspector or qualified electrician regarding the safety of this issue. And then I wing it either way, if I call for the inspection or not, based on the larger homes setup and supposed electrical reliability. Usually if you don't see anything wrong, it's just not fair to call that based on something like FPE panels alone.

Girlee, your question is reflective of the common state of the industry. Everyone tries to push the loans through and puts that on process or the backs of the appraiser. A simple electrical inspection report is all that is needed to cert the condition, or supply to the appraiser to indicate passibility. Tell the salespersons to compell the buyer to fess up 200 bucks pronto, and get a simple electrical inspection going on. Specifically; you want the electrician to answer one question; Is the electrical system safe and functional, with the aluminum wiring in place? If not, what needs to be done to remediate that?

It's common hat for that to get put on the appraiser. We just state we're not experts and move on. People 'never know' if the appraiser will 'be cool with it' or not, because the whole industry is all backwards when it thinks this requirement should be the appraisers responsibility in the first place. Some appraisers play ball, others assume away the condition, and others call inspections.

If you want consistency, you'll have to find a way to provide credible documentation to the appraiser, before they ever get involved. You say; lookie here at this inspectors report from a qualified electrician. He says aluminium wiring is good to go and properly remediated or alternatively he says this is the cost to cure. Please include this information in your appraisal. Call it a day. It's that simple.
 
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thank you, they did get an electrical inspection (the sellers) but the buyer will also have one done, and give it to the appraiser :)
 
In nearly all cases, aluminum wiring is grandfathered. Can't built with it now, not sure when the change was made.
 
thank you, they did get an electrical inspection (the sellers) but the buyer will also have one done, and give it to the appraiser :)

Assuming those say it's all good and safe, then you'll avoid a potential problem later. :clapping:
 
Aluminum wiring is only problematic in small branch circuits (typically lighting and outlets) due mostly to problems with oxidation of the aluminum when its in contact with another metal. Aluminum wiring is still widely used in a large percentage of homes for the main feed from the panel to the meter, to large appliances like a range or dryer etc. as it is still much cheaper than copper. The wire is not the problem, its the connections.
 
The way I understood the problem is that copper and aluminum when they get warm, expand and contract at different rates. When they are connected, the different rates of expansion can cause gaps between the two wires. These gaps can result in the electricity arcing which can start a fire.
 
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