ANSI makes me antsy

[Dublin ohio]

Does anyone realize that’s 1 13/64th of an inch?

So you think measuring to 1 13/64 is a problem? You can also measure to the inch. Oh the humanity. Hope you never take up carpentry.

 

[OSU Beavers]

No two appraisers are going to pick the same Five Foot wall height spot in a slopped ceiling room. Heck my laser moves a 1/10 of a foot when I press the button to measure across a 24' room unless it is braced on a flat surface.

 

[TJSum]

Whenever I have a survey to read for any house, the sides rarely match to the inch, so what does measuring to the inch prove? I've always rounded to the half foot so that the sides of a home match up.

In Maryland, the tax records typically do include two story foyers for each level, and also open great rooms if the home shows two levels on the exterior. For this reason many appraisers in this region did include open areas for each level in order to use the same measuring technique as what shows on public records. For those now using ANSI, they better be adjusting the comps stated GLA as well in order to have a true comparison, which will involve estimating what is on the inside of each comp home. Of course the automated reviewers and personal reviewers will be screaming bloody murder when they see comp GLA's that do not match tax records.

For those that don't take this into account on their comps get ready for lawsuits and discrimination complaints for severely undervaluing the subject by using different measuring standards for the comps than they do the subject.

In this region at least, it will be a real clusterf*ck.

 

[sputnam]

Does anyone realize that’s 1 13/64th of an inch?

If you are old school, you go to Lowes or Home Depot and you buy a 100' fiberglass tape measure. One side will be graduated in inches, the other will be in tenths. It will cost you about $15. If you use one of the new fangled gadgets, it can already measure in tenths.

IMO, this whole push back about ANSI Z765 is just one more example of appraisers whining about change. Same thing happened when the 1004MC came along.

 

[TMG]

Use increments of 1/10 of a foot, it’s a cinch!
Does anyone realize that’s 1 13/64th of an inch?
Is a sloped ceiling counted as GLA?
Most market participants see it that way.
Does it count if it’s under the stairs?
Pretty sure that nobody cares.
You didn’t get your loan? the appraiser is to blame.
Let’s see if we can get them all to do things the same.
Maybe we could make all the markets conform,
and then we can make AVMS be the norm. Let’s create more useless regulations on top of the rest,
maybe enforcing the original rules would be best.

Did anyone else notice this is a poem?

Well done!!

 

[Mark K]

This is the one I inspected yesterday and they were dead to nuts on this old house.

Even to the 1/10 of an inch?

In this area, the older homes (60+ years) have been actually measured a few times so they're pretty close, plus, like your example, they're usually a very simple design. Most discrepancies I find are in the homes that are 25-60+/- years old, about 50% of the homes in the county.

30 years ago I tore off a 12 x 16 cov'd porch on the rear of my house and built an 800 sf addition. It took 28 years for the assessor to change the size on the card. And yes, I submitted plans and got a building permit. I often have trouble sleeping knowing that I underpaid my property taxes for 28 years. LOLOL!

I guess that's not as bad as the house I appraised for one of the employees in the assessor's office. Card said vacant lot. I got there and there was a nice 7 yr. old home. She'd paid taxes on a vacant lot for 7 years, surely an honest oversight. Only time I ever ratted out a property owner to the Assessor.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

Even to the 1/10 of an inch?

The foot, they don't measure to the tenth, nor does anyone else except appraisers as some exercise in futility. Architects and builders use inches and 1/16th of inches. And surveyors don't measure houses except as a perfunctory exercise. And buyers don't buy by the tenth of an inch.

 

[Jayjay25]

Did anyone else notice this is a poem?

Well done!!

Thanks TMG! First to notice I think.

 

[shrubberyvaluation]

Whenever I have a survey to read for any house, the sides rarely match to the inch, so what does measuring to the inch prove? I've always rounded to the half foot so that the sides of a home match up.

In Maryland, the tax records typically do include two story foyers for each level, and also open great rooms if the home shows two levels on the exterior. For this reason many appraisers in this region did include open areas for each level in order to use the same measuring technique as what shows on public records. For those now using ANSI, they better be adjusting the comps stated GLA as well in order to have a true comparison, which will involve estimating what is on the inside of each comp home. Of course the automated reviewers and personal reviewers will be screaming bloody murder when they see comp GLA's that do not match tax records.

For those that don't take this into account on their comps get ready for lawsuits and discrimination complaints for severely undervaluing the subject by using different measuring standards for the comps than they do the subject.

In this region at least, it will be a real clusterf*ck.

This is my experience also with surveys. I adjust comp GLA all the time with no issues estimating an open to below area over a family room that is included in the tax records.