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Anyone complete a UAD 3.6 report ..... yet

Yes he did. I noticed he said he was going to double his fees............It looks like this is going to very time consuming. My crystal ball tells me that AMC's are not going to be willing to double their fees to appraisers. More work for less pay seems like the bottom line to me.
Doubling fees sounds optimistic, but raising fees is up to us appraisers. IDK why appraisers working for AMC;'s accept such horrible low fees. I realize there is often little choice in clients but appraisers do have a choice of what fees to accept or charge or bid - painful as it is to actually do it and get no work soon as one dars raise a fee with the vultures. Maybe it is time for appraisers to contact the media and let the truth out in public - the one thing lenders fear is bad publicity. The lenders who use AMC's are part of it, but they are the face the public sees.

Unfortunately, the attorneys see it as a consumer issue (overcharged by the AMC ) but it really is an appraiser issue - a consumer paying $300 more than an AMC charged is out $300 once every 5 years ( example ) but the appraiser loses $40,000 a year in lost AMC fee splits going to an AMC ( as an example ). The consumer is paying regular C and R, they are not "overpaying "- something the media needs to get right if an article is ever published. The problem is not what the consumer is charged; the problem is that a big chunk of it goes to an AMC instead of reaching the appraiser.

The challenge of UAD 3.6 may see some appraisers drop out or retire sooner, which might give a bit more leverage wrt fees. The system still needs appraisals to function, so we might as well be paid adequately.

The base fees are so low now compared to the cost of living and expenses increase over the past 4 years that even with a full C and R from the lender, we are underpaid -o any raise in fees via UUAD3.6 is way overdue. Imo, if it takes 20% longer to do a UAD 3.6 appraisal then a 20% fee raise might be appropriate.
 
Doubling fees sounds optimistic, but raising fees is up to us appraisers. IDK why appraisers working for AMC;'s accept such horrible low fees. I realize there is often little choice in clients but appraisers do have a choice of what fees to accept or charge or bid - painful as it is to actually do it and get no work soon as one dars raise a fee with the vultures. Maybe it is time for appraisers to contact the media and let the truth out in public - the one thing lenders fear is bad publicity. The lenders who use AMC's are part of it, but they are the face the public sees.

Unfortunately, the attorneys see it as a consumer issue (overcharged by the AMC ) but it really is an appraiser issue - a consumer paying $300 more than an AMC charged is out $300 once every 5 years ( example ) but the appraiser loses $40,000 a year in lost AMC fee splits going to an AMC ( as an example ). The consumer is paying regular C and R, they are not "overpaying "- something the media needs to get right if an article is ever published. The problem is not what the consumer is charged; the problem is that a big chunk of it goes to an AMC instead of reaching the appraiser.

The challenge of UAD 3.6 may see some appraisers drop out or retire sooner, which might give a bit more leverage wrt fees. The system still needs appraisals to function, so we might as well be paid adequately.

The base fees are so low now compared to the cost of living and expenses increase over the past 4 years that even with a full C and R from the lender, we are underpaid -o any raise in fees via UUAD3.6 is way overdue. Imo, if it takes 20% longer to do a UAD 3.6 appraisal then a 20% fee raise might be appropriate.
My favorite person had something to say about these things:

Matthew 23:4

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
 
Yes he did. I noticed he said he was going to double his fees............It looks like this is going to very time consuming. My crystal ball tells me that AMC's are not going to be willing to double their fees to appraisers. More work for less pay seems like the bottom line to me.
The fee question starts at the 19:40 mark and he said "I have changed me fees immediately, more than doubled them." But I'll add, he hasn't completed a second one so it's just talk right now.

Back to the real world. If fees rise to anywhere near "more than double" we will be replaced, quickly. The processes are already in place with 80-90% of GSE loans eligible for something other than a "full appraisal."
 
On the first few ones, count on a trip back maybe. But i do mostly little row homes. Seen 2 seen them all, so at least no trip back.

Not one of my direct lenders has said bupkiss about it, or when.
 
“2 to 3 hours on site, 16 pages of data before you hit the sales grid.” From the horse’s mouth.

And some people still think Uncle Non is making stuff up. Good luck, everyone!
Yeah, I do not think the GSEs considered the time inside of the home all the way through.

I think we can all agree that being in someones home, measuring, going in all areas/rooms and taking pics is already very intrusive. If they knew what the GSEs..the government were doing with there data......

I still get push back on pics....if cubicasa comes common....even more intrusive...videoing the entire home....creepy for refis.

I have a canned statement that I tell the owners when they ask who will see the report and pics of my home?

I tell them the uw and then it becomes a digital paper weight unless you do not pay your mortgage. It gets a laugh and eases the tension.

Now what do I tell them?......GOVCO....big brother knows all.


As for the doubling of the fees....keep dreaming.

Good clients, not the ogliolopy AMCs, you may see a 100 bump.

The ogliolopy AMCs....clear capital, class...if the volume remains low...zip...0 fee increase.

Heck, they may just increase the fee with the lender and keep the fee the same with the appraiser and pocket the rest....or just hire more staff appraisers..either way, more profit for them.

With the smaller AMCs 50 bucks?

*let's not forget that the GSEs are pushing hybrids......
 
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Doubling fees sounds optimistic, but raising fees is up to us appraisers. IDK why appraisers working for AMC;'s accept such horrible low fees. I realize there is often little choice in clients but appraisers do have a choice of what fees to accept or charge or bid - painful as it is to actually do it and get no work soon as one dars raise a fee with the vultures. Maybe it is time for appraisers to contact the media and let the truth out in public - the one thing lenders fear is bad publicity. The lenders who use AMC's are part of it, but they are the face the public sees.

Unfortunately, the attorneys see it as a consumer issue (overcharged by the AMC ) but it really is an appraiser issue - a consumer paying $300 more than an AMC charged is out $300 once every 5 years ( example ) but the appraiser loses $40,000 a year in lost AMC fee splits going to an AMC ( as an example ). The consumer is paying regular C and R, they are not "overpaying "- something the media needs to get right if an article is ever published. The problem is not what the consumer is charged; the problem is that a big chunk of it goes to an AMC instead of reaching the appraiser.

The challenge of UAD 3.6 may see some appraisers drop out or retire sooner, which might give a bit more leverage wrt fees. The system still needs appraisals to function, so we might as well be paid adequately.

The base fees are so low now compared to the cost of living and expenses increase over the past 4 years that even with a full C and R from the lender, we are underpaid -o any raise in fees via UUAD3.6 is way overdue. Imo, if it takes 20% longer to do a UAD 3.6 appraisal then a 20% fee raise might be appropriate.
Veteran Appraiser Plans Protest Over UAD 3.6 Mandate


Coraopolis, Pa. — A 76-year-old real estate appraiser from Coraopolis, Pennsylvania, is organizing what he describes as a nationwide protest at Fannie Mae offices to oppose the newly adopted Uniform Appraisal Dataset (UAD) 3.6 form, arguing that the changes place unreasonable burdens on an already strained profession.


The appraiser, who has worked in residential valuation for more than five decades, says the revised form represents a breaking point for many practitioners. He is now calling on colleagues across the country to rally in opposition, with demonstrations planned at multiple Fannie Mae locations.


“This isn’t just about a form,” he said in an interview. “I’m trying to dissuade appraisers from metaphorically destroying their careers—or worse—by complying with a system that is unworkable. The UAD 3.6 form is pushing people to the edge, and that’s not something we should accept quietly.”


He emphasized that his language was meant to underscore the severity of the professional stress involved, not to sensationalize it. According to the appraiser, increased data-entry requirements, rigid categorizations, and heightened liability risks have made the new form especially difficult for older, independent appraisers to manage.


A large-scale protest is being planned for November 2, 2026, the date when UAD 3.6 is scheduled to become mandatory. Organizers say the demonstration will proceed unless the implementation is rescinded or delayed by President Donald Trump, who they hope will intervene.


The effort has reportedly drawn attention from prominent figures. Former HUD Secretary Ben Carson is said to be fully supportive of the protest. In a statement attributed to him, Carson praised the appraiser’s advocacy, saying, “Policies that undermine experienced professionals and reduce access to fair housing finance deserve serious reconsideration. Listening to those on the ground is essential.”


Industry groups remain divided. Some appraisal organizations argue that UAD 3.6 will improve data consistency and transparency, while critics counter that the form prioritizes automation over professional judgment.


For the Coraopolis appraiser, the issue is personal as well as professional. “I’m 76 years old,” he said. “I’ve seen this industry evolve many times. But this change, as it stands, risks driving good appraisers out of the field. Protesting is the only responsible thing left to do.”


Whether the planned November protest will lead to policy changes remains uncertain, but it has already sparked renewed debate about the future of appraisal work in an increasingly standardized mortgage system.
 
The fee question starts at the 19:40 mark and he said "I have changed me fees immediately, more than doubled them." But I'll add, he hasn't completed a second one so it's just talk right now.

Back to the real world. If fees rise to anywhere near "more than double" we will be replaced, quickly. The processes are already in place with 80-90% of GSE loans eligible for something other than a "full appraisal."
We might not be replaced that fast - imo fees will not double- they might rise 10-20% or not at all- my prediction is they could rise by 10-15% withiun a year.


Though I agree, overall, their recent history is to marginalize the use of appraisers and appraiser independence. Yet, appraisals are still used for the majority of origination loans?-Even if they try to cut the appraisal with an AMC, slicing it into a fast-food order using a hybrid and a PDC collector. The stakeholders have not yet figured out how to strip a borrower's right to obtain an appraisal as a financing clause in purchase contracts. I have no faith in their supposed mission to serve the public trust, but they are at present proceeding with some guard rails -a WAIVER/value acceptance is only eligible if an assessment was done within the past X years. But who knows how long that will last - they did convince regulators to agree to a program that skirts appraisal regulations by waiving the appraisal ( I assume that is the reason for the name change from WAIVER to the more friendly sounding value acceptance)
 
Veteran Appraiser Plans Protest Over UAD 3.6 Mandate


Coraopolis, Pa. — A 76-year-old real estate appraiser from Coraopolis, Pennsylvania, is organizing what he describes as a nationwide protest at Fannie Mae offices to oppose the newly adopted Uniform Appraisal Dataset (UAD) 3.6 form, arguing that the changes place unreasonable burdens on an already strained profession.


The appraiser, who has worked in residential valuation for more than five decades, says the revised form represents a breaking point for many practitioners. He is now calling on colleagues across the country to rally in opposition, with demonstrations planned at multiple Fannie Mae locations.


“This isn’t just about a form,” he said in an interview. “I’m trying to dissuade appraisers from metaphorically destroying their careers—or worse—by complying with a system that is unworkable. The UAD 3.6 form is pushing people to the edge, and that’s not something we should accept quietly.”


He emphasized that his language was meant to underscore the severity of the professional stress involved, not to sensationalize it. According to the appraiser, increased data-entry requirements, rigid categorizations, and heightened liability risks have made the new form especially difficult for older, independent appraisers to manage.


A large-scale protest is being planned for November 2, 2026, the date when UAD 3.6 is scheduled to become mandatory. Organizers say the demonstration will proceed unless the implementation is rescinded or delayed by President Donald Trump, who they hope will intervene.


The effort has reportedly drawn attention from prominent figures. Former HUD Secretary Ben Carson is said to be fully supportive of the protest. In a statement attributed to him, Carson praised the appraiser’s advocacy, saying, “Policies that undermine experienced professionals and reduce access to fair housing finance deserve serious reconsideration. Listening to those on the ground is essential.”


Industry groups remain divided. Some appraisal organizations argue that UAD 3.6 will improve data consistency and transparency, while critics counter that the form prioritizes automation over professional judgment.


For the Coraopolis appraiser, the issue is personal as well as professional. “I’m 76 years old,” he said. “I’ve seen this industry evolve many times. But this change, as it stands, risks driving good appraisers out of the field. Protesting is the only responsible thing left to do.”


Whether the planned November protest will lead to policy changes remains uncertain, but it has already sparked renewed debate about the future of appraisal work in an increasingly standardized mortgage system.
Sadly, few will show up to the protest due to the location and cost of appraisers to travel, etc. A better idea is public disclosure to the media about AMC fee predation via the freebie to lenders, free of cost to them, AMC service via the bundled fee, which is the real problem, the UAD 3.6 just puts it over the top as the last straw for beleaguered appraisers, who assume, with good reason, they will have a hard time raising fees or getting the longer turn time..

This is, imo, the reason the GSE's are pushing the supposed wonders of the new tech bro software, which promises to auto-fill and make life supposedly fast and easy. They will argue that the appraisers are not adapting by not using the wonder software, which promises to cut the time in half, or whatever spin they claim with no evidence. Even if some software cuts the time here and there, the work, inspection, and sheer amount of data points and the process to chase down the data add to the time and liability.
 
Sadly, few will show up to the protest due to the location and cost of appraisers to travel, etc. A better idea is public disclosure to the media about AMC fee predation via the freebie to lenders, free of cost to them, AMC service via the bundled fee, which is the real problem, the UAD 3.6 just puts it over the top as the last straw for beleaguered appraisers, who assume, with good reason, they will have a hard time raising fees or getting the longer turn time..

This is, imo, the reason the GSE's are pushing the supposed wonders of the new tech bro software, which promises to auto-fill and make life supposedly fast and easy. They will argue that the appraisers are not adapting by not using the wonder software, which promises to cut the time in half, or whatever spin they claim with no evidence. Even if some software cuts the time here and there, the work, inspection, and sheer amount of data points and the process to chase down the data add to the time and liability.


The protests themselves would be pointless in the sense that all of maybe two people would show up, hell even if all the appraisers in the area showed up.

BUT

The news about the impending planned protests, at least gives us a non-zero chance that someone with a brain in the administration, or close to it, with knowledge of the real estate markets, may give it some attention, and bring it up where it matters.

And this administration, all the way up to the very top, is uniquely positioned to understand the real estate markets and all of their peculiarities such as appraisal.

I would say that the odds of the 3.6 Abomination being delayed just ticked up a little bit. :unsure:
 
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