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Appraisal didn't include similar house in comp

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Our home is a 2.5 story. Full staircase to "third" floor of the home, the staircase is not a pull down, or in a bedroom or anything like that. 2 rooms + full bath up there. Full "attic space" above that. The rooms are heated, have windows;its part of the house.

Do you have copies of the building permits from when it was done? (aka, 2 rooms & full bath) Doesn't matter if you had it done or previous owner, there should be building permits.

I ask because if the appraiser believed the 3rd floor rooms were not legal he could have reduced that floor off the matrix and then the "comps" would make more sense.

Is the house from March to long ago to include? It is essentially the same house as mine.

Normally? no.
The typical time frames you hear are 90 days, 6 months, and 12 months.
The question would be rather HOW the similar house sold in March?
Was it a "For Sale By Owner" or other such transaction or was it listed and sold through a realtor and thus in the standard Multiple Listing Service an appraiser would typically check?

As for "is it too old" some Appraisal Management Companies, banks, etc, may have stipulations about using at least X comps from within the last 90 days under certain conditions. Also, depending on how the local market has reacted between March and June the more comparable property might actually no longer be comparable (if the market took a hard dive).

Are there any other factors that would exclude it from consideration?
Waterfrontage?
Water view?
Different neighborhood?
Distance?
Upkeep?
Quality (brick, stone, etc)?

I have seen stipulations come back where the "suggested comparables" were two of the highest priced comparables to be found and the third was an active listing on the same lake but on an exclusive island (worth close to 2x the subject) so understand if the appraiser comes back with reasons he did not consider it, then they may be valid.


In his report, he writes that the local market does not reflect price increases for additional bedroom, which seems ridiculous.

Depends on the market.
In some local markets by me there is no discernible difference between a 3BR, 4BR or 5BR home other than what can been seen in GLA adjustments for square footage. Bathrooms matter but not BRs.
On the other hand there is often a huge difference between 1 BR and 2 BR, and often a slight difference between 2 BR & 3 BR, but that is one of my markets, not yours. In one of my markets no garage is worth as much or more than a 1-car garage but a 2-car garage is worth significantly more then there is diminished return per garage after that. That is one reason to hire competent appraisers, they should know all these things about the local market.

Also, the $15/sq ft GLA seems low, but I am not in the profession. Is there a range that is typical from your experience, even though it may be in different markets.

I have seen $5/sf in one urban market and over $120/sf for really upscale semi-rural homes. All markets vary, but remember that the $15/sf GLA in the sales comparison approach should indicate the typical buyer's preference between similarly sized properties in a similar location NOT a cost to build, replace, etc. All markets vary and I can not give you an opinion because I don't know your market and you didn't hire me to do an appraisal.


I agree with at least one thing a different appraiser posted, if you think it is wrong, challenge it. Send the address of the property you think is comparable to your loan agent. Inquire if the bank is doing a review (and give a clear statement of why you think one should be done (aka, the appraiser did not bracket the GLA, seems to have ignored a more similar comparable, did not use 3 closed sales, and did not use any sales/active/pending with even close to similar bedroom count (aka, did not bracket that factor). If the loan agent says they are not pursuing a review you still have the option to do so yourself (or as well as) and try to get a hopefully competent local appraiser to verify or rebut the appraisal you do not agree with.
 
<..... snip.....> then scan it and attach it to your next post. It is really hard for people on here to give advice on such limited info.

Do the same thing with that CMA from that reputable Realtor also. Fair is fair. And I dislike the constant working assumption involving real estate that the person with the lower value opinion is always wrong.
 
$15 / Sq.Ft. is a pretty light adjustment for my market area - sounds like a 'Hey Bob' adjustment. But it may be right on the money for a superadequate larger home, who knows.

What part of PA are you in?
 
Generally, third floor space contributes less space on the first two floors--in my market. Oftentimes the best approach is to base the valuation on the square footage on the first two floors and treating the third floor areas as an additional feature like a garage, AC, etc. (In fact, that is the approach required in Relo company appraisals). That said, $15.00/SF is a relatively low adjustment for size given the sales you cite.

So, not knowing the specifics of your property it is impossible to tell whether the appraisal is "incorrect." Review by another local appraiser would be helpful, if you are so inclined.
 
I'll try to answer most of the questions.

The houses in our area were built 1900-1930ish. My house was built in 1917. Its similar in condition to the other houses. I think the appraiser was fair in his assesment of "good" condition. We're not the biggest/baddest in the neighborhood. 4 or 5 houses in my block are the same as mine. A few are larger, some are smaller.

The additional rooms were part of the original construction in 1917, so I'm not sure what building permits would be available. The appraiser included the sq footage and room count in his totals, so I don't think he questioned whether they should be "counted" or not.

Also, please don't think that I am here to say the appraisal was bad, or "call the appraisal police". I stated in my first post, I'm not an appraiser, and I had a few questions. So I came here to help with research, before calling anything out.

As I see it, the appraiser comp'ed my home with 3 smaller properties, and didn't adjust the value of mine based on additional bedroom size and sq footage. In my opinion, he omitted a house in the comps that was the most similar to mine (identical floorplan), and refutes these statements made in the appraisal:

No dollar differences were observed in the market for variations in rooms or bedrooms, therefore, no adjustments were made. Any
differences were reconciled with GLA adjustments, where appropriate.
Adjustments for variations in gross living area were calculated at $15 per square foot and rounded to the nearest $500. No
adjustments were made for variations less than 100 SqFt.
Comparables 2, 3, and 4 have GLAs which vary with the subject's by more than 25%, but this was unavoidable due to a lack of more​
similar, recent, closely located comparables.
 
I'm not an appraiser, so I am just a little confused.

so is the appraiser.

Is the March house, that is almost identical to mine, not recent enough to include.

In a word no.

And I got almost no positive adjustment for additional sq footage and beds, even though the local market does reflect higher selling prices for additional beds and square footage.

Most markets do. I have no idea of tyour market but given typical $/sf, $15 a sq ft. is ludicrous.


My loan officer is urging to contest the appraisal. Is it worth it? To refi, I need an appraisal of at least $238k, which I thought was in the bag. Living in the area for almost 10 years, I think I could get sell my house is 8 hours for $210k.

I would offer your laundry list to the lender and inquire about a field review by a local appraiser. Good luck.
 
In your first post you list 3 comps

My house - 2100 sq ft - 6 beds, 2 baths, $210k
Comp1 - 1440 sq ft - 3 beds, 1 bath sold for $234k on June 1, 09
Comp2 - 1500 sq ft - 3 beds, 2 bath, sold for 249k on June 10, 09
Comp3 - pending 235k sale - 1400 sq ft - 3 beds, 1 bath

Then you say the appraiser wrote this in this appraisal which mentions a 4th comp and does not include comp 1 as varying more than 25% in GLA.​

Comparables 2, 3, and 4 have GLAs which vary with the subject's by more than 25%, but this was unavoidable due to a lack of more​
similar, recent, closely located comparables.

So this leaves me confused. What were the actual comps? It appears by the appraisers comments that comp 1 was closer in GLA than the comps you referenced.
 
Generally, third floor space contributes less space on the first two floors--in my market. Oftentimes the best approach is to base the valuation on the square footage on the first two floors and treating the third floor areas as an additional feature like a garage, AC, etc. (In fact, that is the approach required in Relo company appraisals). That said, $15.00/SF is a relatively low adjustment for size given the sales you cite.

So, not knowing the specifics of your property it is impossible to tell whether the appraisal is "incorrect." Review by another local appraiser would be helpful, if you are so inclined.


By your moniker, I am assuming you're from Pittsburgh? My house is actually in Regent Square. Not sure if you are familiar with this area or not, though...
 
No dollar differences were observed in the market for variations in rooms or bedrooms, therefore, no adjustments were made. Any differences were reconciled with GLA adjustments, where appropriate. Adjustments for variations in gross living area were calculated at $15 per square foot and rounded to the nearest $500. No adjustments were made for variations less than 100 SqFt. Comparables 2, 3, and 4 have GLAs which vary with the subject's by more than 25%, but this was unavoidable due to a lack of more
similar, recent, closely located comparables.

I assume the appraiser wrote this and, if so, there is a definite conflict. You stated there was a model match that sold in March. (not too dated to consider IMO) The appraiser states there were no similar, recent closely located comps. Is that model match at a distance from your place?
 
By your moniker, I am assuming you're from Pittsburgh? My house is actually in Regent Square. Not sure if you are familiar with this area or not, though...

Very familiar--are you in the City or Swissvale. There tends to be a difference.
 
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