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Appraisal Institute Controversy Part 2

It will be the same-old same-old in Chicago until there is a complete purge at national. And the odds of that happening may have risen from 0% to something higher with the lawsuit, but I wouldn't bet my money on anything substantial happening. Case in point, not a single peep from the board. Step up and call an emergency meeting, like the one where they fired Dr. Chance, vote then release a statement. They won't because they are no clean hands in this mess.
That we haven't heard anything yet, except the blanket denial from the president, who has been implicated in the coverup, suggests they are rushing to circle the wagons and double down on maintaining the status quo that leaves them in line to pilfer the remaining assets for as long as the organization survives.
 
This will be settled outside court. She appears to be looking for money.
Nothing changes and the show will go on.
 
It will be the same-old same-old in Chicago until there is a complete purge at national. And the odds of that happening may have risen from 0% to something higher with the lawsuit, but I wouldn't bet my money on anything substantial happening. Case in point, not a single peep from the board. Step up and call an emergency meeting, like the one where they fired Dr. Chance, vote then release a statement. They won't because they are no clean hands in this mess.

Cindy Chance? I don't think she is sufficiently qualified to be a "leader" in appraisal. The fact that she was made President of the Appraisal Institute (for 1 year), just goes to show how much of sh*t show they run.

She doesn't have a degree in real estate, appraisal or even a related tech field. There is also no indication of any proficiency in statistics or computer science.

CC says the right words for some appraisers - so they support her - end of story? There is more to being qualified to make decisions for appraisers than just verbally professing agreement with the views of some appraiser group. There must be understanding and experience to back up those opinions, and she really does not have a good "understanding/experience" resume to support the required qualifications.

What I believe I see are appraisers looking for whoever comes closest to agreeing with their point of view. Just because she says this or that is, in the long run, not that meaningful. It is really most likely just a political move by her to garner support. People change their minds, when it suits them. She doesn't have a track record. She doesn't have leverage.

Of course, I am not saying there is ANY one around that can do the job. There likely isn't. Relatively speaking the current President, Paula K. Konikoff, it about as good as it gets, just looking at her LinkedIn profile and hearing one of her presentations. However, even she lacks qualifications with respect to technical proficiency in math, statistics, AI and computer skills.

One could argue that no American appraiser really has what it takes to run any large appraisal organization. One can argue that it is a hopeless, sick cow that is doomed to extinction. And finally conclude, that it really doesn't matter who is running the show: Even if the President of the AI were quite competent, they would have a very long road ahead of them trying to budge the inertia - the status quo - that exists among an AI membership that is, we might very well assume, interested only in what benefits themselves.

What is needed is a new organization that is an order of magnitude more qualified in advanced appraisal techniques and appraisal science, than what you currently find in the field of appraisal. Of course, that is almost a contradiction of terms. Right?

Every existing appraisal technique used by the vast majority of appraisers lacks constraints necessary to keep value estimates in check, - neither too high nor too low.

Compare that to Accounting - where all ledgers have to be kept in balance - to the penny. That is a significant constraint that makes significant illegal alterations in value, very difficult without breaking the established accounting protocols.
 
she was CEO. It’s not common to have CEOs be experts in their field. They are experts in business and running companies.

My friend was a CEO of a steel company for a couple years. He never worked a day in his life in steel/metals before that day.
 
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she was CEO. It’s not common to have CEOs be experts in their field. They are experts in business and running companies.

My friend was a CEO of a steel company for a couple years. He never worked a day in his life in steel/metals before that day.
Just like the CEO of AMCs and lenders most were not appraisers .lol
 
Correct. The CEO club might be the biggest good ol boy network out there. They get passed around from company to company. It’s good club to be in.

If you haven’t read the lawsuit, you should. It reads exactly as I would expect it to based on what I know of AI. 20 plus pages of corruption. Even someone like me, that know’s how the game is played at the leadership level of this profession, was shocked.
 
One could argue that no American appraiser really has what it takes to run any large appraisal organization. One can argue that it is a hopeless, sick cow that is doomed to extinction. And finally conclude, that it really doesn't matter who is running the show: Even if the President of the AI were quite competent, they would have a very long road ahead of them trying to budge the inertia - the status quo - that exists among an AI membership that is, we might very well assume, interested only in what benefits themselves.
Mike Ford. Jeremy Bagott. Samuel Miller. Mike Kennedy.

It's not about being a specialist in everything it's about not being for sale and promoting an outstanding ethic. Cindy is qualified in this regard. Only in your mind does advanced knowledge of super advanced math, statistical inference, and artificial intelligence faux understanding actually matter. Like any functional organization, competent leaders keep competent support for whatever the larger business needs are.

How about that Appraisal Institute ey? Lose your credentials if you don't pay. Let's start with the basics.
 
I liked the model floating around about the local chapters running the show.
 
Mike Ford. Jeremy Bagott. Samuel Miller. Mike Kennedy.

It's not about being a specialist in everything it's about not being for sale and promoting an outstanding ethic. Cindy is qualified in this regard. Only in your mind does advanced knowledge of super advanced math, statistical inference, and artificial intelligence faux understanding actually matter. Like any functional organization, competent leaders keep competent support for whatever the larger business needs are.

How about that Appraisal Institute ey? Lose your credentials if you don't pay. Let's start with the basics.
Mike Ford, Samuel Miller and Mike Kennedy - these are common names and I don't really know much about these individuals. I would guess they are just running appraisal firms and speakers that appear at conferences.

Jermy Bagott is an MAI and A-GRS with many years of experience.

Cindy Chance does NOT have a track record as an appraiser, nor any Designations or Licenses - from looking at LinkedIn. She did graduate with a BA from Oxford in philosophy and economics - and a Ph.D. from Georgetown in Philosophy. Only if you think Appraisal is all about Ethics - would you give much weight to that. Choosing her as CEO under the assumption that she could delegate all the technical work to people under her is absolutely INSANE. Those ****ers are all incompetent. None of them have what it takes make good decisions and move forward. They should have hired somebody with a Ph.D. in Applied Statistics and Mathematics from a top tier university in the US, - with experience and knowledge of real estate appraisal. But they are so screwed up, the entire profession is so screwed up ---> This would and will never happen any time soon.

In general your comment doesn't make a lot of sense. That's OK, it's kind of standard for most residential appraisers on this forum. There are different levels of appraisers, and most appraisers have IQs in the 95-115 range, - not high at all. The MAI's have IQ's that generally max out around 125+/-, but they do make good use of what smarts they have, for what it is worth. And 80-90% of the time, that is good enough for commercial - as long as you can live with commercial appraisals that are on average 80-85% accurate (per third sources).

If you want an appraiser that you can be sure is accurate in estimating market value for residential real estate in California, like 98+% accurate ---> you will have to search far and wide. That kind of accuracy takes knowledge of advanced math and programming. It is going to be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Because if you know statistics, data mining, - and can program, you can make 3-4+ times more working somewhere else.

If you want to be an appraiser for GSE appraisals - that is low ****. HS degree will work fine, provided you have the credentials and can follow GSE guidelines good enough for the AMCs. It is an average IQ job.
 
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