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Appraised Value is TOO HIGH!

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1. What Definition of Value was applicable to the assignment?

2. when contacted via phone by parties, other than your client, abruptly and politely interrupt attempts to coerce you AND CLEARLY state any and all comments MUST be addressed to your client - in writing. Oh, and end with
" Have a nice day":) ..........and hang up the phone.

Best advice of all.
 
Partially agree. It may be a load a crap the realtor is pushing. And I don't think the OP is at fault for not asking the question regarding whether a home inspection had been done. Even if they had, the scenario could have played out entirely different as well, with the home inspection finding multiple faults but the realtor not telling the truth to the OP as well and I typically do not make a habit of asking for copies of home inspections on purchases.

But now there is information provided to the appraiser which the appraiser was not made aware of which could have an impact on their OMV. Should it not be considered?

I don't know the answer to this ...if it is considered, then it should be at buyer or realtor's option and sent to lender/client and they can send it to appraiser...

Every conversation this OP has with the buyer or realtor gets her closer to a problem, the fact that appraisers don't immediately end these conversations and direct the parties to address concern to lender is part of the problem.

And I agree, if the roof were so bad, let the buyer and seller renegotiate on their side as a result. No need to throw the appraiser under the bus.

see above comments. Probably if OP directs their concerns to the lender both parties will stop the harrasment and the deal would go forward.
 
Probably if OP directs their concerns to the lender both parties will stop the harrasment and the deal would go forward.

Here's the gray (or grey) area in all this. Yes, it is an issue now because it can be construed as pressure. But what if the realtor had handed a copy of the roof inspection to the appraiser before the report was submitted. Would it be pressure then? And do you also not talk to the agents involved in the purchase transaction as part of your collection of pertinent property data?

I guess context is everything. But it just seems a bit silly (notice a said a bit and not totally) that we're sitting here saying that it's inappropriate to talk to these parties when we have to talk to them anyway. I guess it would have been ok if the realtor and seller had said nothing and just forwarded the appraiser a copy of the roof inspection with a nice memo attached, something along the lines of "additional information we would like you to consider", which they are allowed to do.
 
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I'd never do this for some "jackwagon" that just is calling to chew me out, but for a reasonable borrower (and for a good client) I have explained to them my limited role & the limits to our discussion. On a few occasions I have said I will speak with them if my client grants me permission in writing.

That has happened only a few times. Most of them get the polite stiff arm with no hint I will be more forthcoming, even if granted permission to speak freely about the assignment by the client. One of them, interestingly enough, had a PHD in statistics & was rather active as a business consultant in applied statistics. Luckily, I knew that from chatting with him during the inspection.
So, don't blow smoke up their nose & proceed with caution, if you take this route. It is strictly optional.
 
Dumbmasses. I hope the agent didn't recommend that tactic, Fannie/Freddie take contracts very seriously.
 
Here's the gray (or grey) area in all this. Yes, it is an issue now because it can be construed as pressure. But what if the realtor had handed a copy of the roof inspection to the appraiser before the report was submitted. Would it be pressure then? And do you also not talk to the agents involved in the purchase transaction as part of your collection of pertinent property data?


The realtor did not hand them a roof inspection report at the time.

Typically, buyers have a set # of days to get a home inspection. The contract is written one of two ways, either " as is"" , where seller pays no repairs, or with a certain amount, such as "seller will pay up to $2000 for repairs". I believe Fannie properties are sold as is, but I did not see this contract. In any event, after the home inspeciton, if the buyer finds the inspection reveals flaws not known at time of offer, or an amount of repair over what seller agrees to pay, buyer has option to cancel the contract at that point and walk away.

After getting roof repair report, this buyer chose to continue. Either the repair costs were not that great, or buyer decided they loved the house and wanted it anyway. I would bet that the roof repair costs for leaks are minimal, unless the buyer is a complete moron.

I guess context is everything. But it just seems a bit silly (notice a said a bit and not totally) that we're sitting here saying that it's inappropriate to talk to these parties when we have to talk to them anyway. I guess it would have been ok if the realtor and seller had said nothing and just forwarded the appraiser a copy of the roof inspection with a nice memo attached, something along the lines of "additional information we would like you to consider", which they are allowed to do.

If the roof inspection impacts CONDITION to such an extent that had the appraiser known about it, a lower condition rating would have warranted a lower price, that is one thing. But if the buyer/realtor are playing games and hoping a roof inspection report with a few minor costs to fix leaks is supposed to get the appraiser to change value, that is another thing.

Appraisers can avoid all this by insisting that as soon as apppraisal is done, that all communication and exhibits be forwarded to lender, who will then forward it to the appraiser.
 
Fannie has a property, on the market for $zzz. It goes into multiple offers and I get the assignment. The 'winning" contract is 110% of list price +/-. My AV comes back at about 104% of List PriceAny thoughts?

I Just have a question. Does the contract limit the buyer's rights in the transaction since it is a FNMA sale “as is” compared to your other sales and is there any market reaction for that?
 
In this case, the roof inspection brings up the problem where many "small lies" add up to one large lie.

The first implied "lie" is that it's okay for the buyer to be non-committal on their offer because the appraiser will help adjust the price to the "true" value.

The second implied "lie" is that there is a single precise and accurate value for every property, that the opinion of value offered to a lender is always exactly the same as the opinion of value that would be offered to a buyer or seller, and that the appraiser is capable of determining that exactly specific and accurate value.

The third implied "lie" is that the appraiser's opinion relies solely on a component-by-component analysis of the subject property.

The fourth "lie" is that the actual scope of the appraisal is unaffected by the intended use, that regardless of the situation, every appraisal has the same level of inspection, analysis, and accuracy.

These "lies", taken together, can put the appraiser in a logically indefensible situation. In this case, if the offer actually is influenced by the appraisal, and the appraiser has determined an exact value based solely on the sum of the property's components, then there is absolutely no reason why an appraiser should refuse to adjust the appraisal by exactly the amount dictated by the roof inspection and stand by while the borrower renegotiates, based on the new opinion of value.

Okay, no big deal. The appraiser maintains their foolish consistency and changes their opinion of value by the exact amount of the roof repair. But then what happens if the borrower realizes how easy it is to game the system and starts coming up with more unknown expenses, one after another? The appraiser's only options are to either go back and explain that they shouldn't have offered the misleading implications (the "lies") in the first place or to stonewall the lender/borrower/agents and shut down communications.

(Please forgive my use of the word "lies" but it best makes the point. I'm not trying to suggest that all appraisers who make a few logical inconsistencies are some sort of evil liars.)

Of course, bottom line is that the appraiser should consider all evidence and data and conclude at their best unbiased opinion, but (and here's where we disagree) without misleading the reader as to the precision of our analysis or as to the degree of influence of the contract in the final opinion of value.

It's somewhat misleading to imply that the appraiser has precisely calculated a single exact value, independent of the current offer. It's far less misleading to state that the final opinion of value was selected as a reasonable rounding point within a range of reasonable values. And, when appropriate, it's less misleading to state that the contract price was considered to be a reasonable "rounding point" for the final value opinion. And, from a practical viewpoint, just as important as being misleading is whether or not the opinion of value is defensible. Any report that implies a high level of precision is easy to attack, as is happening in this case.

Of course, it is conceivable that appraisers could be used as "Value Inspectors" with all the borrower-related connotations incorporated into that term, but it goes against the intent of our Intended Users provision and invites the question as to whether the report should be written for the eyes of a fairly sophisticated underwriter or for the eyes of the layperson borrower. If we wear the hat of Value Inspector, aren't we also then assuming the duty of explaining to (and perhaps even negotiating with) the borrower? Again, small lies beget larger lies.

As with any other contract terms, it's probably appropriate to comment whether an Appraisal Contingency clause has any effect on the offer or on the final sales price. I don't know if there was an Appraisal Contingency clause in the transaction we're discussing but it sure seems like this appraisal is turning into my worst nightmare, where appraisers don't merely analyze values, they knowingly determine prices. (And incur all the liability that comes with that role.)

Best course of action? (Thinking out loud here.) Clearly outline the methodology used in the report and don't imply that the opinion of value is something that it's not. Clearly state that the lender is the only intended user of the report and that the final opinion of value is made with the lender's best interests in mind, not the borrower's, and for that reason the borrower should not rely on the appraisal. (If there is an appraisal contingency in the contract, re-emphasize that point and report on the effect of the appraisal contingency.)

Clearly state that the borrower's right to a copy of the appraisal does not change the intended user(s) or intended use of the appraisal. Perhaps even re-iterate the appraisal appeal process, whereby there is no communication between the appraiser and the borrower or their agent but that new or additional data provided by the lender, in writing, will be fully considered and reasonably addressed in a written response to the lender.
 
The buyers are hurting because this is potentially the last run out of discounted offerings. And the availability has been slimming down for some time. It's a dang feeding frenzy out there, and the buyers are discount shoppers.

Appraiser comment: Oh man if the roof would have been better, the appraised value would probably have been X + 10k. Or: Yep the market is heating up with multiple offers, if you can't afford the discount ones at face price, there are plenty of other buyers trying to put in higher priced offers. If you would have expected less, last year, perhaps, but this year, the market is clearly heating up with rising valuations month by month. Or: The subject is transferring under special warranty deed, not just simple warranty deed. This means as is transfer with all problems included. Most of these bank owned have many thousand of repairs waiting to be completed, and the market value of the subject is based on comparisons with other homes that were assumed to have similar cost to upkeep problems. Buying a home special warranty deed comes with this type of immediate cash cost, and your Realtor should have told you that because it's his job to make sure your placing offers that are realistic and proper based on your personal financial ability to buy.

The real evil weevil here is the Realtor. He apparently represented an interest of the buyers which was not substantiated by the buyers actual ability. He offered high, even though the buyers could not afford that offer. So mention that one about proper representation to the Realtor and you'll find the Realtor might do the dirty work for you, and talk the buyers down in another fashion than the current strategy of blaming the appraiser. Dig deep and pull out a set of iron jinglies. 'Phone calls happen' and the right jargon usually solves the problem on the spot.
 
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