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George, you make a set of really good points. And, as usual, do a much better job of it than I could. This discussion goes hand in hand with my observation in the thread

http://appraisersforum.com/forums/viewtopi...er=ASC&start=15

However, here's a another idea. Influence Congress to get a law at the federal level to make it illegal to attempt to get an appraiser to "bring in value" so that the rules would affect the loan officers the same way they affect appraisers.

If we had the two things together, making the entity at risk responsible for making assignments, and criminal penalties for trying to cooerce value, now that would be progress!
 
Steve: We are lobbying with Congress to have written into the law, that the lender will be responsible for the loan for 36 months instead of 12 months. We feel that it will put preasure on the lender not preasure the appraiser as they may get the loan back. Now they are holding off forclousure of a loan past the 12 months but would not be able to do this with 36 month reponsibility.

William Sentner
President
American guild of Apprasiers OPEIU AFL-CIO
RESASINC@aol.com
 
We are fighting this and are making some progress. Again it is a lonely battle as AI and I guess now that AI & ASA are lobbying together have joined NAR in pushing the above state laws. They have done this in ILL and now CA.

Hi Bill,

In the interest of accuracy, please realize NAR is not involved in state legislation. We have been over this time and time again. Maybe the State Association of REALTORS is involved in pushing legislation you and you organization find distasteful, but NAR is not.

Your credibility and that of your organization is rightfully brought into question when you continue to ignore the facts.

Please CLICK HERE!! for the Official Policy Position of the National Association of REALTORS on Deminimus.

Thanks
 
Dave,

Regarding your question on FHA/VA/FNMA/FHLMC-think of FIRREA as a really toothless tiger in protecting depositors savings from bank failure. Read Title XI and you'll see that FIRREA covers depository institutions-that's it. None of the above (FHA/VA,etc) are depository institutions under the regulatory agencies such as the FED, OTS, OCC,FDIC, etc so their loans are not considered federally-related transactions. The 1980's collapse of depository institutions was the cause for FIRREA. Loans for FNMA/FHLMC/FHA or VA were not involved in the collapse. So FIREEA is for depository institutions. That's the best I can come-up with at this point and I always try not to think too hard.

FHA and VA still require appraisals to meet their silly little wants and needs. So they have appraisals completed no matter what. I guess we can be thankful that no one at HUD knows about the FNMA/FHLMC trick or we'd lose those appraisals also. Maybe they'll wake up from the 1960's daze they're in and realize they can act just like FNMA/FHLMC and get away without appraisals-Mel M. are you listening??????

FNMA/FHLMC get to play around under the Deminimis with AVM'S, no appraisal loans (AKA give me a funding fee and I'll be happy), etc, well, because they say so and no one's told them any different. They are just savvy business people using the Deminimis to their advantage/profit. Throw an evaluation in the file if the loan is under the Deminimis and Title XI is happy. Congress is just too dumb to see what's going on and what liability they may end up with.

Now after reading all this, I'm thinking, are there really any federally-related transactions on the residential level that require the protection of Title XI/FIRREA????? How many banks/S&L still portfolio their residential loans..?? And even if they portfolio their residential loans, if they are underwritten to FNMA/FHLMC guidelines they are exempt from the regulatory agencies oversight and appraisal requirements. Hmm.. And the NCAB worries about a guy completing the depreciation in the Cost Approach to their liking. Kind of silly after reading this post. Huh

Ben
 
To the assertion that FIRREA doesn't apply to the GSE's, I've always wondered how the following, taken from Title XI, should be interpreted:

SEC. 1120. Violations in obtaining and performing appraisals in federally related transactions [12 U.S.C. 3349]

(a) Violations. Except as authorized by the Appraisal Subcommittee in exercising its waiver authority pursuant to section 1119(B), it shall be a violation of this section-

(1) for a financial institution to seek, obtain, or give money or any other thing of value in exchange for the performance of an appraisal by a person who the institution knows is not a State certified or licensed appraiser in connection with a federally related transaction; and

(2) for the Federal National Mortgage Association, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, or the Resolution Trust Corporation to knowingly contract for the performance of any appraisal by a person who is not a State certified or licensed appraiser in connection with a real estate related financial transaction defined in section 1121(5) to which such association or corporation is a party.

(B) Penalties. A financial institution that violates subsection (a)(1) shall be subject to civil penalties under section 8(i)(2) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act or section 206(k)(2) of the Federal Credit Union Act, as appropriate.

© Proceeding. A proceeding with respect to a violation of this section shall be an administrative proceeding which may be conducted by a Federal financial institutions regulatory agency in accordance with the procedures set forth in subchapter II of chapter 5 of title 5, United States Code.

I highlighted the section above in bold for the purposes of this discussion.

With respect as to the applicability of FIRREA and the deminimus on a practical basis, it has been my understanding that the lenders can establish whatever guidelines they want as long as they don't violate the minimums. However, having established guidelines, they are responsible for observing them as written. To the best of my knowledge, most of the lenders have not yet elected to toss out appraisals altogether for loans under the deminimus. Some have elected to accept AVMs in various forms as a supplemental valuation product and there are the waiver programs being tested out where the decisions are credit-based rather than collateral-based. It is also my understanding that the federal regulatory agencies have taken a posture that if a lending institution does accept an appraisal of any type, that that appraisal must be USPAP and FIRREA compliant. Kind of an all-or-nothing proposition. Anyone who has information to the contrary, I would appreciate an update so I can get current.

To date, the secondary market has also demanded that appraisals must comply with USPAP and FIRREA. So while in theory FIRREA might not be strictly applicable to every appraisal assignment, I maintain that it is still a powerful tool to be used by the federal regulatory agencies. I mean, what's a lender going to do, set up different programs for acceptance of appraisals based on whether the loans are above or below the deminimus? Even if they wanted to, would the feds allow them to do it and would the courts uphold the different standards of ethical conduct for appraisals and underwriting? "If the loan is under the deminimus you can take an appraisal engaged by the homeowner or mortgage broker, but if it is above the deminimus you have to engage the appraiser directly? " I can't see it. I think it's going to go one way or the other.

The one thing I know is that lenders do take the federal regulatory agencies seriously, whether they want to or not. To the extent that they are aware of all the rules (which many of them are not) they also seem to demonstrate some respect for FIRREA. There are undoubtably examples of some of them being slicker than the average auditor, but they can't be successful forever. They only need to get caught in a pattern once before it starts to become expensive for them. And in light of the current ethics scandals unfolding, I think the market (shareholders and investors) will also hold them accountable to slightly higher standards than before.

I don't know about anyone else, but the average engagement letter that I see knowadays looks to be much more informed and discerning than those I was seeing even a few years ago. The mortgage brokers I see don't seem to have as firm a grasp on it, which may partially explain the actions of some of the bad actors over there. The FIRREA and USPAP messages are definitely getting through, even if they are ignored by some.

I am sure that some of the lenders will find a way to apply pressure to the appraiser through the underwriter if the latter is used as the point of contact for the appraisal. However, doing so places them in direct violation of FIRREA, something they have heretofore been successful in avoiding when using the plausible deniability of accepting whole loan packages from an outside brokerage. As I say, this wouldn't be a panacea for the lender pressure issue. But it would close the one egregious loophole.

This is all about changing the characterization of appraisals from being a marketing tool (we have a property that has already appraised out at $zzz) to being an underwriting tool. That may not seem to some to represent much of a difference, but I think the impact would be huge. Besides, it is cheaper and easier to regulate the conduct of a 'few' lenders than it is to regulate the masses of individual appraisers and loan originators.


George Hatch
 
as an aside I was always curious why FHA and VA were always so picky about their appraisals and will order on on the drop of a hat...only to mismanage repo property after they get it back.

By the time FHA gets around to taking care of problems and/or disposing of the reposessed property it is worth one-half what it was the day the people moved out, bad as that may be. Vandalized, neglected, and stigmatized by being unkept and vacant, they get a fraction of what they should for repo property.

I just watched VA wait 6 full months to repo and sell a property that had only $30,000 against it. By the time they were done, it had $42,000 against it in fees, maintenance, legal, etc. and had they not had a second mortgager (who had tried to buy them out within weeks), would not have been able to sell the property. The second mortgage holder (a bank) quickly disposed of the property and more than broke even in the process.
 
Frank: I know that we keep going over this. I must tell you I have the greatest personal respect for you.
I respect what NAR does for their Realtors as they should. I also think that no mater what NAR National Policy is, that they wink at and abet state organizations that lobby to make BPOs reconized as appraisals that fall outside the federal deminimus. This includes BPOs on the Maes REOs.

Best regards.

Bill Sentner
President
American Guild of
Appraisers OPEIU AFL-CIO
RESASINC@aol.com
 
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