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Appraiser Vs Inspector

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I am also a home inspector. Average house takes me about three hours, including writing and presenting the report. You can bet the scope of work for an appraisal is somewhat different.
 
Uh Pat? nice math. but bad ASSuption.

I worked for several years (a little short of 4) in the disaster business... When you do contract inspections for FEMA you are moving FAST and furious. You worked from can-see to can't see and it was not unusual to 'view' and write reports on 20 (or more) homes each day. After a few years of it you can get pretty good at looking at houses, making sketches and doing estimates. We didn't do attics. :P

Nobody waited three years for their first inspection, though the progress inspections went on for longer than that for some folks. :(

On the Loma Prieta Earthquake in the SF Bay area, they activated well over 250 FEMA inspectors (I only know how many folks were working out of the office I was stationed out of) and at one point at least that number of SBA inspection personell were also working that disaster.

I worked for both organizations at various points on disasters on the mainland and out in the islands, coming back on for later disasters or for 'cleanup' of old files.

When a whole island is 4 miles by 20 miles you can look at a lot of houses without sitting in much traffic.

Any questions? :twisted:
 
Don: The two appraisers you noted may have taken detailed notes but maybe their representation was inadequate. Like Lee Ann said, "judges and arbitrators need educating."

For example: About 14 months ago, developed an appraisal report on a single family in the Cherokee Heights neighborhood for a conventional purchase. The home was being rented by twenty-somethings and the interior was dark and decorated with "Gothic" design. I had to follow a trail through the home because of all the clothes, trash, etc. that were laying all over the floors (could barely enter some of the rooms). Many of the windows were covered with blankets and sheets(Carolina curtains). The floor around the toilet and tub felt soft and spongy. Other than that, everything I observed appeared average. The exterior was in average condition with the exception of some damaged roof shingles from the result of a fallen tree branch. All that is described above was included with the report. Because I do not go under, go over, turn on, turn off, pick up, put down anything on a conventional loan, I recommended a moisture/termite inspection and roof inspection. I only report what I observe and let the underwriter make the decisions. I always take pictures of damage, etc. I only claim to know enough about construction from an appraiser's point of view and I know nothing of how to fix things. A week or so goes by and the processor for the LO calls and asks me why I did not report on all the damage. I told her I did report what I observed. She says there was a home inspection and that I did not report three quarters of what the home inspector found. The buyer also had hired a contractor to inspect the property and give her an estimate to fix the problems. After I had turned in the report and the loan closes, a contractor tears up the floor in the bathroom and some of the siding off and found the damage to be more extensive than he had estimated before the purchase. I had been told nothing of the home inspection, contractor estimate, etc. The contractor backs out of the job, leaves a torn up floors and exterior and the buyer thinks it's all my fault. I finally get a copy of the home inspection (which the mortgage company had all along) and I could not have seen the damage noted unless I crawled under the house and removed the siding to inspect the sill plates, wall studs, etc. Meanwhile, my orders from the mortgage company comes to a halt. A loan officer calls me and says he just received an email from the v.p. instructing the processors to halt all orders to me. I was never contacted to defend myself. Apparently, the v.p. and the loan officer inspected the property after the contractor had torn up the floor and exterior. Took me almost two months to iron it out with a signed apology from the president of the mortgage company.

I guess my point is I was wrongly accused of not doing my job. I will never forget receiving calls from six or so LO from that mortgage company asking why were orders being halted and of course I had no answer. It was the worst feeling that I have ever had in the sixteen years of appraising.

As for FHA jobs, I always follow the book.

You also may be seeing reports filled out by trainees who inspected the subject without the proper supervision. Some of our local sweatshops have that "get it in, get it out, stop screwing about" attitude. Some folks just do not have any pride in their work. Goes back to whether or not the appraisal industry is considered a professional industry.

Apparently, the appraisal board meeting was interesting yesterday. Had an applicant who used to be an attorney until he was convicted of fraud and embezzelment. The concensus of the board was once the state bar reinstates his license then the appraisal board will reconsider his application. Had an appraiser indicate she inspected the subject. The property owner testified she had never laid eyes on the appraiser who signed the report. The board yanked her licensed.

Sorry for ramble.
 
B) Corky,

Interesting comments re the board meeting. I intend to be there next time. As regards what happened to you, anyone of us could at anytime have the same thing happen to us. It is one thing to pontificate on a forum like this, it is quite another to do many of what we say should be done in everyday real life situations. (I am sure I must have seen that house you describe :lol: ). And, sometimes it is not possible or even permissable to take interior photos. I can tell you that I have appraised houses where it looked like a dumpster had dumped their contents in every room. There is no way under those circumstances to know the real condition of such a property. I hope that my expressing an ideal way to do things does not leave the readers of this forum to believe that I believe that every situation is going to be ideal and we can always do all those idealistic things we propose to others. There are many houses that I have inspected that the best I could do was report what I saw and indicate that I could not see the actual condition based on the abundance of personal property, lack of lighting, etc. I have appraised at least one house where I had to throw away my shoes. The had crepe soles and the cat pee was so pervasive that it soaked right in. I pulled them off before I got in the car. :beer:
 
Currently I am waiting for access to a home that Animal Control had removed about two dozen cats and dogs, lizards, birds, etc. The neighbor across the street indicated that when the owner opened his windows, the odor stunk up the whole neighorhood. Beautiful little home Ocean View (or is that Booneview).

As for your cost to cure, I have a couple of buddies that are in the construction business. Their specialty is renovation. They give me estimates for repairs, etc. for beer. I opine the value based on 'as is" condition. I consider the repair estimates into the condition adjustment. Of course the subject's physical deprec. in the evil Cost Approach and the condition of the sales (based on exterior inspect. from the street & listing info.) are considered also.

I have p.o.'d plenty of LO's and confused a many of underwriters but it's the nature of the game and it makes me giggle. They always give me "does that have to be mentioned in the report" or "the seller is going to fix that before closing" routine.
 
Don...I have been there with the shoes.

I took one step into the totally dark basement (no lights & I just wanted to step in far enough to take a couple of pictures) and heard a squishing sound. The owner then told me a few days before the septic had backed up into the basement.

I left my shoes in his driveway.
 
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