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Gary Schinagel

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First time in so bear with me. Read the 4150 and appendix D both but am not quite clear on some items. Please help!
Looking for some ANSWERS to questions that come up MAN. FHA 1004C.

What are the typical attachments to the report? Mandatory? and suggested? Like HUD transmittal,Manufactured checklist,UPAP compliance,Limiting conditions. Basically they do not tell you the correct forms mandatory and or suggested.

High voltage feed for rural are common. Are individual power poles that supply electric feed considered high voltage which require fall distance such as Cell towers etc. most of theses supply poles are close to and often abutting the subject but by my definition do not qualify as a major power line but are more typically individual feeds that often are within fall distance?

Is the cost approach required by HUD if older than 2 years? Can dealer information be used? Or is NADA subscription mandatory(since its use appears to be limited to 2 years or newer)? And is the 1007 MArshal swift form used or mandatory when cost required by client or HUD or are the cost sections included in the 1004C sufficient? Also are the site estimates ALWAYS MANDATORY as was in the past(which used to be the primary reason for maintaing the cost approach in the summary form was for site value estimates for proper land-irovements ratio's)?

Private road/ drive is noted as now acceptable IS THAT TRUE OR AM I READING IT INCORRECTLY? Its noted to explain and have lender via title examination reveal recorded permanent easement. So again are private roads now elidgeable?

Skirting used to be Block but did not include vinyl skirting is that still true? What skirting is allowed?

What about newer improvements that have not consolidated Tax ID's(Still assessed as Chattel and land seperatley) but have applied and qualify per inspection and engineer cert and are just awaiting regulation agency inspection to deactivate title?

Is an engineer PERMANENT FOUNDATION cert required ALWAYS? Or can we verify via inspection?

Do we need regulation agency to reinspect after ALL improvements? examples are; Outbuildings with contributory value attached or unattached. Porches,Decks and Patios Attached or detached, Site built additions permited by local zoning and inspectors etc. which are typical improvements. Very rarely do you just have the MAN SFR only with the owners constantly often improving and adding to the property. Per my reading its says that the regulation agency MUST REINSPECT. The manufactured regulation division or other often more restrictive municipal agencies do they count?

Water tanks in close proximity or view? Ther is an instance where the water tower is next to subject in an otherwise typical homogeneous area. Does this quailify. I mean the chances of finding another one like it as a comp will be impossible. But to me its a negative marketing factor ebven if allowed but IS marketable due to views construction etc.

What is considered a safe distance for well and septic from each other it pretty much says to determine but not the recommended or required distance amount? Also it states that the distances of the Well,Septic and Propane DO NOT need to be noted? Private (and shared wells with verifiable agreement )are allowed in handbook. When do we have to have them inspected. Its vague!

SORRY FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS IF YOUR LIKE ME YOU CAME FOR ANSWERS AND I HATE TO COME OF AS DUMB ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS APPRAISALS SINCE 1996, AND ALSO AM NADA MAN CERTIFIED. BUT I JUST MOVED AND THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA IS BOTH SUBURBAN AND RURAL MANUFACTURED PREDOMINANT HOUSING IN THE SURROUND. SO I PASSED THE TEST FOR FHA BUT I DO SO FILL LIKE I NEED PEER GUIDANCE SO THAT I CAN CONFIDENTLY LEAN ON THE REAL WORLD PRACTICE ESPECIALLY FOR STACKING AND OFTEN VAGUE EVER CHANGING REGULATIONS. WE APPRAISERS AS PROFESSIONALS ARE HELD TO MUCH HIGHER STANDARD THAN ARE THE LO'S AND BANKS OF THE WORLD. ITS LIKE WE HAVE TO WALK ON WATER almost.
 
What are the typical attachments to the report? Mandatory? and suggested? Like HUD transmittal,Manufactured checklist,UPAP compliance,Limiting conditions. Basically they do not tell you the correct forms mandatory and or suggested.

Complete as you do a 1004 stick built and just replace the 1004 with the 1004D.

High voltage feed for rural are common. Are individual power poles that supply electric feed considered high voltage which require fall distance such as Cell towers etc. most of theses supply poles are close to and often abutting the subject but by my definition do not qualify as a major power line but are more typically individual feeds that often are within fall distance?

They are not 'high voltage' per se, they just bring power into the house. You don't have to worry about fall distance.

Is the cost approach required by HUD if older than 2 years? Can dealer information be used? Or is NADA subscription mandatory(since its use appears to be limited to 2 years or newer)?

Cost approach is typically completed and you have to utilize a cost service where an underwriter can look up how you arrived at your numbers.

And is the 1007 MArshal swift form used or mandatory when cost required by client or HUD or are the cost sections included in the 1004C sufficient?

I use the 1007 when I do Manufactured Homes, don't know if there is a requirement?

Also are the site estimates ALWAYS MANDATORY as was in the past(which used to be the primary reason for maintaing the cost approach in the summary form was for site value estimates for proper land-irovements ratio's)?

You have to have information in the cost approach as to how you arrived at the site value, you just can't say $24,000 for the site.


Private road/ drive is noted as now acceptable IS THAT TRUE OR AM I READING IT INCORRECTLY? Its noted to explain and have lender via title examination reveal recorded permanent easement. So again are private roads now elidgeable?

You have to be able to prove there is an easement under the road, there has to be legal access to the property.

Skirting used to be Block but did not include vinyl skirting is that still true? What skirting is allowed?

Good quality skirting, block, vinyl, good quality metal etc...

What about newer improvements that have not consolidated Tax ID's(Still assessed as Chattel and land seperatley) but have applied and qualify per inspection and engineer cert and are just awaiting regulation agency inspection to deactivate title?

Until they are attached to a permanent foundation what you have is a vacant land appraisal with a value for the personal property (Manufactured Home)

Is an engineer PERMANENT FOUNDATION cert required ALWAYS? Or can we verify via inspection?

You can certify the home is attached, you usually have to provide photos showing the type of foundation and how it's attached, though.

Do we need regulation agency to reinspect after ALL improvements? examples are; Outbuildings with contributory value attached or unattached. Porches,Decks and Patios Attached or detached, Site built additions permited by local zoning and inspectors etc. which are typical improvements. Very rarely do you just have the MAN SFR only with the owners constantly often improving and adding to the property. Per my reading its says that the regulation agency MUST REINSPECT. The manufactured regulation division or other often more restrictive municipal agencies do they count?

Don't know about that one?

Water tanks in close proximity or view? Ther is an instance where the water tower is next to subject in an otherwise typical homogeneous area. Does this quailify. I mean the chances of finding another one like it as a comp will be impossible. But to me its a negative marketing factor ebven if allowed but IS marketable due to views construction etc.

What kind of water tank? Don't follow your reasoning on this one.

What is considered a safe distance for well and septic from each other it pretty much says to determine but not the recommended or required distance amount? Also it states that the distances of the Well,Septic and Propane DO NOT need to be noted? Private (and shared wells with verifiable agreement )are allowed in handbook. When do we have to have them inspected. Its vague!


Purposefully vague. I don't know the exact distance but they better be on opposite ends or sides of the improvement for me to approve them
 
""Complete as you do a 1004 stick built and just replace the 1004 with the 1004D.""


stefan......you meant to say 1004C there, i believe...
 
The well distance has to be a min. of 50' from the septic tank and 100' from the drain field. I believe you only have to note the distance now if it is less than the required distances.

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An engineer PERMANENT FOUNDATION cert is always required.


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The water tank may only be an external obsolescence.
 
THANKYOU! I am still just in doubt about the 4150 and MAN supplement that states. ALL additions need to be inspected by the regualtion agency(AGAIN VAGUE). To me that means it has to be on the survey and called in to zoning for verification of and including ALL improvements as assessed and permitted. And here in NM it may take several months+ before you can get the Manufactured licensing/regulation to inspect the first time. Regulatory agency Im hoping can also be interpreted to mean local zoning which PERMITS via application and inspection all improvements some of which are grandfathered in. Problem is that you become an enforcement inspector for the assessor's office or MAN REG agency which is not WHAT WE SHOULD BE. Legally permissable and permited with inspection are 2 seperate issues and they are hard to verify. Its seems that its just another non-appraisal item that we are asked to do. We do not work for the state or city zoning departments and we cannot verify competly the accuracy of all their practices.They are more often in the field, always behind and often their measurements do not add up either. It may take all week before they even call you back then you get a different answer from each one. Same as HUD they just do not reply back.
 
Many of the sections and requirements described in 4150.2 have been superceded by the revised Appendix D which is an attachment to ML2005-48. You appear to be referencing 4150.2, 8-1 (last bulleted paragraph).

It is true that post-consumer modifications to a manufactured home can put the home or occupants at risk. That very issue is discussed in the first few pages of the NADA guides. In California, most modifications or alterations to manufactured homes require state plan approval. No one ever does this and the local planning and building departments have no jurisdiction because it is a state requirement.

HUD/FHA viewpoint (according to SAHOC staff) is inspection is only required if the appraiser observes conditions which adversely impact the livability, soundness or structural integrity. They are not concerned with code compliance.

Download ML2005-48 and read the attachment (Appendix D). It is complete instructions for completing the manufactured home appraisal report for FHA.
 
Problems with MH and site built additions are many. Anything that adds weight to the frame requires a HUD structural inspection. Even something as simple as a deck that is attached to the MH is a problem. Any penetration of the outer skin requires the same structural inspection.

Also, you are required to proof of a state foundation inspection for all MH appraisals. Otherwise you can be prosecuted for impersonating a state inspector. By law, the only ones qualified to certify a code legal foundation is a state inspector. If your borrower cannot find it, you can research it on-line: https://164.64.87.10/kivacitizen/permit/lookup/index.cfm.

You should also contact a Mr. Ted Serrano at 505-476-4698.

Bernalillo county also has a similar site for researching permits.

I agree that we are not code experts. A reasonable solution is to use CB4 and require the proper inspections. One of the more dangerous assumptions to make is that non-permitted work is still code compliant. That is well beyond my area of expertise.

I know that in the past it was common for appraisers to gloss over non-permitted additions and conversions. I would use extreme caution in the future. Albuquerque has decided that they are going to really crackdown on this sort of thing. I just finished an appraisal where the garage was converted to a separate living unit and there were two bedrooms added along the back, all without permits. The city condemned the stucture even though it appeared to be in solid shape.

Before it can change hands, a structural inspector must certify that the original structure was not harmed by the work. Then an architect must be hired to create a set of plans for the additional work. All the usual inspections will be required including foundation, and rough electrical and plumbing. That could mean significant demolition of the additional structure.

I was told by the city, that this would be the required procedure anytime they found non-permitted additions/conversions.

Be very careful with anything with non-permitted additions, but especially FHA and MH.

How is your lawsuit against the police going?
 
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