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Appraising a 2 family Condominium

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I believe Arverne by the Sea in the Rockaways has similar units. They are condo units with two seperate living areas and both can be rented. List the accessory (3rd unit)as you would in a multi family. If the 3rd unit is above grade, I include it in the GLA, but do not attribute any value to it's income potential.

1. Is the lower level "unit" a legal use?
2. Does the OP address HABU including legal occupancy and use of the "3rd unit"?
3. Why would the OP not "attribute any value to it's income potential"?


EXAMPLE:
http://www.arvernebythesea.com/models/

freeport-floorplan-large.jpg


Clarification please?
 
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You say there will be no rental income but does the "larger unit" command higher rent? If so the accessory unit, when combined with the lower unit, may in fact produce income.
 
1. Is the lower level "unit" a legal use?
2. Does the OP address HABU including legal occupancy and use of the "3rd unit"?
3. Why would the OP not "attribute any value to it's income potential"?


EXAMPLE:
http://www.arvernebythesea.com/models/

freeport-floorplan-large.jpg


Clarification please?

I have run into this mostly in Queens and Brooklyn and mostly with typical multi family properties, not condos, but I would treat each type the same. Each situation is different depending on physical layout, use, and Co. Assuming a three story structure with all three floors fully above grade and an apartment on each level. Most multi family zoning is R4, R5, or R6 defined as General Residence districts and allows use as a two family or three family. I have never seen this in an R2 or more restrictive zoning. If there is no Co on file and the house is being utilized as a three family, I value it as a three family. If there is a CO on file for a two family dwelling, I value it as a two family with a seperate kitchen and living area. Most homeowners will claim it is for family use or used as a summer kitchen or something. I state in the report what the owner claims. Based on a half hour inspection, I am not offering an opinion as to the actual use. Since the seperate area is above grade , I value it as living area. When preparing the Income approach, I do not consider any possible income from the additional unit. I do try and find other two family properties with similar uses. Usually if one homeowner does it, others have also.
The question of Legal use is a difficult one. I list what is physically present and try to let the market tell me how to value it. How it is actually being used versus it's legal use is often hard to determine based on a half hour inspection.
 
I have run into this mostly in Queens and Brooklyn and mostly with typical multi family properties, not condos, but I would treat each type the same. Each situation is different depending on physical layout, use, and Co. Assuming a three story structure with all three floors fully above grade and an apartment on each level. Most multi family zoning is R4, R5, or R6 defined as General Residence districts and allows use as a two family or three family. I have never seen this in an R2 or more restrictive zoning. If there is no Co on file and the house is being utilized as a three family, I value it as a three family. If there is a CO on file for a two family dwelling, I value it as a two family with a seperate kitchen and living area. Most homeowners will claim it is for family use or used as a summer kitchen or something. I state in the report what the owner claims. Based on a half hour inspection, I am not offering an opinion as to the actual use. Since the seperate area is above grade , I value it as living area. When preparing the Income approach, I do not consider any possible income from the additional unit. I do try and find other two family properties with similar uses. Usually if one homeowner does it, others have also.
The question of Legal use is a difficult one. I list what is physically present and try to let the market tell me how to value it. How it is actually being used versus it's legal use is often hard to determine based on a half hour inspection.

Post 19 downloadable C.O.’s may be obtained from the Building Information System (BIS) on [url]www.nyc.gov/buildings[/URL].
 
Post 19 downloadable C.O.’s may be obtained from the Building Information System (BIS) on [url]www.nyc.gov/buildings[/URL].

I know, but COs were not required before a certain date and many of the properties in NYC do not have a CO on file. So other than an indication from thier taxable status or a recorded acris deed, both of which may be incorrect, there is no definitive answer for the legal use on many properties.
 
A couple of observations.

1) This is a highly complex appraisal. I hope your fee is commensurate with the amount of work this will entail.

2) If I were in your place, I would have a long discussion with your client before proceeding with the appraisal on a form 1025, and I would get confirmation of the conclusion of that discussion in writing.

3) Odds are, no matter how you complete the appraisal, the smart money says that the client or a stakeholder in the transaction will be unhappy.

4) The subject unit does not have either a condo declaration or certificate of occupancy listed on line, which IMNSHO makes this appraisal riskier than most, given the age of the development (it would be typical of developments built in 1979 +/- to have both documents available on line).

5) The most recent sales in the subject development were in 2004 ($430K and $445K). I would utilize these sales with an appropriate time adjustment.
 
Arverne by the Sea. This is a condominium of two family units.

This is a link to the website

http://www.arvernebythesea.com/models/

The 2 family dwellings in Arverne by the Sea are NOT a condos (despite the fact that one is listed in MLS as such).

I've done a couple of appraisals in this development over the years; all the multifamily dwelling that I'm aware of are listed as class B2 with C of O's as 2 family dwellings.
 
They are part of something, condo, pud, hoa, master association, something. I will do some research on Monday and see what I can find out
 
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