AQB Update On Proposed Changes To Appraiser Qualifications

[hastalavista]

<sigh> The sad thing is that these threads usually degrade into a personal, "my education is better than your education" free-for-all.

I'll stand by my prior post:
Is a college degree necessary for an individual to be a competent appraiser (commercial or residential)? I've said "no"; I don't believe it is necessary for a specific individual.
Does the requirement of a college degree for licensing purposes add to the professional stature of our industry? Yes, it does (and not everyone will agree to this, I concede).

The question (in my mind) is, does the college degree requirement and its benefit to the profession as a whole, outweigh whatever detriment that requirement causes to the individual new entrant into the profession?

I think the benefit to the profession as a whole outweighs the detriment to the potential new entrant..
And I see no detriment if an alternative is created that can be used in lieu of the degree for existing licensed professionals; especially if that alternative is heavily weighted on experience and technical competency (no need to take English Literature 301).

So, it doesn't matter what our education levels are: based on our license-level, I'm just as qualified as you and you are just as qualified as me.
But if you are not licensed and you want to join the profession, then a college degree is not an unreasonable standard... one which we benefit from as a group.


(for what it is worth, I was a D or C student in high school English and grammar.... until they threw me out. )

 

[timd354]

That is not what I said. You have just changed the subject. I never said anything about income.

You are showing a lack of critical thinking here. You simply can not be objective about the subject because you went to college and paid for a degree.

Why do think that college grads make a lot more money on average than non-college grads Ken? Maybe it is because they are less knowledgeable, less intelligent and have lesser critical thinking skills than non-college grads? Yeah, I didn't thinks so.

Carry on with your silliness, I am done with addressing your absurd arguments

 

[Ken Masla]

Why do think that college grads make a lot more money on average than non-college grads Ken? Maybe it is because they are less knowledgeable, less intelligent and have lesser critical thinking skills than non-college grads? Yeah, I didn't thinks so.

Carry on with your silliness, I am done with addressing your absurd arguments

Income does not equal intelligence.

Sorry it does not.

To suggest that is absurd.

 

[Ken Masla]

<sigh> The sad thing is that these threads usually degrade into a personal, "my education is better than your education" free-for-all.

I'll stand by my prior post:
Is a college degree necessary for an individual to be a competent appraiser (commercial or residential)? I've said "no"; I don't believe it is necessary for a specific individual.
Does the requirement of a college degree for licensing purposes add to the professional stature of our industry? Yes, it does (and not everyone will agree to this, I concede).

The question (in my mind) is, does the college degree requirement and its benefit to the profession as a whole, outweigh whatever detriment that requirement causes to the individual new entrant into the profession?

I think the benefit to the profession as a whole outweighs the detriment to the potential new entrant..
And I see no detriment if an alternative is created that can be used in lieu of the degree for existing licensed professionals; especially if that alternative is heavily weighted on experience and technical competency (no need to take English Literature 301).

So, it doesn't matter what our education levels are: based on our license-level, I'm just as qualified as you and you are just as qualified as me.
But if you are not licensed and you want to join the profession, then a college degree is not an unreasonable standard... one which we benefit from as a group.


(for what it is worth, I was a D or C student in high school English and grammar.... until they threw me out. )

How do you address people that are just economically unable to obtain a degree.

There are kids who actually need to work to help their families. Going to college full time to obtain a degree is unrealistic for them.

If there are just a group of courses, maybe put together by AI and adopted nationally, someone can potentially work and take the courses at the same time without all of the extra burden.

 

[The Warrior Monk]

In California, you can take the BAR with no college. Pretty much apprenticeship for several years if I recall correctly.

Can you imagine how much more competent that lawyer would be compared to a kid who just got out of law school?

If a person passes the Bar exam with no college, they at least know law. I'll even agree that they should allow the equivalent in appraising. If a person can pass AI's comprehensive exam, give them a certification.

 

[gregb]

If a person passes the Bar exam with no college, they at least know law. I'll even agree that they should allow the equivalent in appraising. If a person can pass AI's comprehensive exam, give them a certification.

While AI allows one to challenge an exam for course credit, it is a whole different thing regarding a challenge to a state certification exam to get licensed. Btw, taking Cali State Bar exam involves experience logs and more than just taking the bar exam. It can be done without attending law school, but not without meeting other requirements.

 

[The Warrior Monk]

Fine. Past the Comprehensive exam, complete the experience, and get your CG. The Comprehensive Exam can be used in lieu of a college degree.

 

[Evincere]

Why do think that college grads make a lot more money on average than non-college grads Ken? Maybe it is because they are less knowledgeable, less intelligent and have lesser critical thinking skills than non-college grads? Yeah, I didn't thinks so.

Carry on with your silliness, I am done with addressing your absurd arguments

Funny stuff. This thread needs a tad bit of humor

 

[George Hatch]

We're still speculating on what is and isn't without the benefit of any supporting analysis of actual data that would prove or disprove an actual improvement in appraisal results attributable to the academic education requirements. It's as if nobody has asked the question and nobody's interested in the answer.


It's particularly ironic given the point that most of us already recognize that an illiterate isn't going to be passing certain QE courses and written and taught in certain programs.

And I still maintain that the purpose of licensing requirements is protecting the public from incompetent practice, NOT advancing the profession's public image. That's what the professional orgs are for. And even though I'm an outsider to all the professional orgs I'd still go so far as to say its unethical for TAF to be putting the State licensing boards in direct competition with the professional orgs in pursuit of that goal.

 

[hastalavista]

How do you address people that are just economically unable to obtain a degree.

There are kids who actually need to work to help their families. Going to college full time to obtain a degree is unrealistic for them.

Not unrealistic. But certainly more challenging.

They would obtain the degree the same way they do now...regardless of what their educational and ultimately professional/career objectives are: through grants, scholarships, and student loans; or self funding.. by working (the biggest challenge but many, by virtue of fortitude and resolve, accomplish this). That option exists for all: the degree requirement for appraisal licensing doesn't change that option or opportunity.

If there are just a group of courses, maybe put together by AI and adopted nationally, someone can potentially work and take the courses at the same time without all of the extra burden.

I have specifically stayed out of the conversation regarding using an AI-like course requirement... not because I don't think there is merit, but because (as David W. accurately stated) I am a designated member of the AI, and to advocate for that type of educational substitute would appear self-serving.
I do not believe that an AI program would be acceptable to many appraisers; and buy-in by appraisers for however the process goes forward is essential.
I do not believe that it is an simple task to recreate what the AI has taken years to establish (i.e., their educational course quality and their designation courses in particular; I'm sure many will dispute that); so the practicality of that idea is something I question.
I do believe that a legitimate benchmark of a college degree for licensing purposes is a benefit to the profession as a whole.

The call to "show me the data" has merit.
The answer of "accountants, attorneys, doctors, architects, engineers, etc." is the response that addresses that call. Each requires college degrees* and I see no good reason why, on the whole, appraisers shouldn't be categorized within that grouping.

*and where a degree is not necessary to meet that other professional standards, and to what alternative they consider to be equal in lieu of a degree, I am certainly open to consider.

There is not much more for me to say on this, as I've said everything I have to say.