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Are you adjusting your comps for AGE?

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With effective age not being able to be reported, are any of you adjusting for age or are you sticking to the Condition adjustment?

I'm starting to lean in this direction with the UAD. Unless there is a specific market reaction to the Age...ie, one lone house built in 1956 in a neighborhood of 21st century homes, I'm thinking to leave well enough alone.

How about you guys? :shrug:

Only if the market data supports it. That includes ALL sales, REO/Bank Owned, Shorts and so carlled arm's-length that you like to call 'traditional' that infers the Seller never has to sell. A lot has to do with certain submarkets. Historic districts often have different trends than other areas, for example. There is rarely any across the board same answer for every market and every time period.
 
Only if the market data supports it. That includes ALL sales, REO/Bank Owned, Shorts and so carlled arm's-length that you like to call 'traditional' that infers the Seller never has to sell. A lot has to do with certain submarkets. Historic districts often have different trends than other areas, for example. There is rarely any across the board same answer for every market and every time period.

Ditto.12345
 
'splain please...platitudes like that are not found in the textbook...

MLS photos & commentary and discussions with real estate agents involved in the transaction.

For some strange reason I feel we are not talking about the same thing. Are you really asking me how I verify property characteristics regarding a sale?
 
Interesting discussion, confirming what has seemed apparent over the years, viz. that appraisers really vary in their approach to the age issue. I appreciate the input here.

Honestly, and with no intent to impune anyone here, if there is section of the SCA grid which I've seen most utilized for value inflation (I'm talking the bad old days), it was related to effective age estimates and adjustments. It often seemed that appraisers came up with incredibly specific EAs for comps (thus appearing to be based on industry formulas), then made hefty adjustments favoring their subject-- which inevitably had a conveniently low EA despite the shag carpeting and harvest gold range. You've all seen it...

I've aways preferred condition adjustments, especially when my comps are of relatively competitive ages. You can base adjustments on the relation between estimated/actual costs of remodeling/updating and market return on value, the data of which seems more available and readily supported.

I share the philosophy referenced by others here regarding newer homes. I feel justified invoking age adjustments when houses built within the last decade or so are all in relatively the same C3 or C4 condition, but you feel there should be consideration for the difference between a 2 year-old and 10 year-old roof, or when the 10 year-old house is close to needing new exterior paint but is not yet specifically worn or defective, or the 10 year-old carpet is still in marketable condition, but obviously not as new as the 2 year-old, etc. This principle is typically supported by the difference between the prices of brand-new homes versus resales of those built a few years earlier.

Sometimes I will use an age adjustment when needing to use a comp of more dissimilar age for another of its characteristics, like needing to bracket my subject's site size or GLA, etc. If the comp is relatively similar in interior finish quality and condition, due to updating, but I feel there is a substantial difference in the collective construction techniques/materials of its core structure due to its year-built era, then I tend to think age is a better category for the adjustment. But I make it based on actual age, not so-called effective age.

I'm not discounting the value of seriously evaluating effective age based on methods referenced by folks in this thread, but I think the framers of the UAD and other recent industry changes recognized the inherent abuse in the use of EA as it was applied by rogue appraisers in the boom years...
 
I love these effective age discussions ... no one has ever explained how they determined effective age mathmatically and no one ever addresses how they know the effective age of a comparable they have never been inside ....
 
To me age and condition are two separate features. Condition is curable, age isn't.
 
To me age and condition are two separate features. Condition is curable, age isn't.

Judging by some million dollar plus 100 year old homes, I don't know that their age needs any cure, as long as they're in good condition.
 
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Effective age mathematically

I love these effective age discussions ... no one has ever explained how they determined effective age mathmatically and no one ever addresses how they know the effective age of a comparable they have never been inside ....

Permit me. You have a 1972 built house of 1200 sqft.but with a family room addition of say 600 sqft built in 1992. Not too unusual a situation.

1800 sqft total.

40 years is 66.67% of the house.

66.67% of 40 years is 26.67 years

20 years is 33.33% of the house.

33.33% of 20 years is 6.67 years.

6.67 years pluse 26.67 equals 33.34 years.

Effective age 1979.
 
Permit me. You have a 1972 built house of 1200 sqft.but with a family room addition of say 600 sqft built in 1992. Not too unusual a situation.

1800 sqft total.

40 years is 66.67% of the house.

66.67% of 40 years is 26.67 years

20 years is 33.33% of the house.

33.33% of 20 years is 6.67 years.

6.67 years pluse 26.67 equals 33.34 years.

Effective age 1979.


That is NOT effective age .. it is a composite actual age for the improvements ..... that is absolutey NOT how the term is used in our industry ... sorry .. NEXT.
 
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