Atrium, Living Square footage or not

[Bill_FL]

Even if that was true, it's not relevant. It's not that he didn't measure or didn't calculate GLA. He did meausre and is calculating GLA. Getting this wrong is getting near or into the significant error region.

Based on what definition Mr. Santora? If the appraiser describes what is being calculated and is consistent throughout the appraisal, the appraiser is has done his/her job correctly.

 

[PropertyEconomics]

No!

Shucks PE - you savor challenges... challenge the original data and the observation. Why does the thread run on an "Extraordinary Assumption" the OP knew what he was looking at? I have a feeling OP figured something out (had one of those new-fangled sliding skylight thingy's) and did the side-door boogie.

A word to the wise Mr Andreas .. YOU SHOULD NEVER REVIEW. YOU invoked the extraordinary assumption HE DIDNT know what he was looking at. That sir, is quite dangerous and a bit assuming on your part. It seems you think you know better what he inspected.
Your feelings aside, HE saw it ... You didnt .... that in my mind lends more creditability to him ...

This post is becoming quite strange ...

And I think we have to invoke a hypothetical condition that those that want to count it as gross living AS DESCRIBED ... took appraisal 101 ... becuase you sure dont remember any of it.


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[CURT VAN HOOSER]

....these folks are obviously smarter than published opinions on these very topics.

You're killing me... Seems we have several differing opinions by qualified people right here on this forum....

 

[PropertyEconomics]

You're killing me... Seems we have several differing opinions by qualified people right here on this forum....

Mr Van Hooser .. its just that some of them are drinking the KOOK-AID .. and they are not thinking straight.

 

[CURT VAN HOOSER]

Mr Hooser .. its just that some of them are drinking the KOOK-AID .. and they are not thinking straight.

It's Van Hooser, and I agree. However, as with many things, it all depends. I would have preferred a little more information from the OP but, given what I understand of what he was describing, this is no doubt an open patio and not, IMHO, included in GLA. I am interested in what the county has recorded as GLA and if it includes or excludes the atrium sqft. And, if all similar properties are recorded the same way.

 

[PropertyEconomics]

It's Van Hooser, and I agree. However, as with many things, it all depends. I would have preferred a little more information from the OP but, given what I understand of what he was describing, this is no doubt an open patio and not, IMHO, included in GLA. I am interested in what the county has recorded as GLA and if it includes or excludes the atrium sqft. And, if all similar properties are recorded the same way.

I find it interesting, nothing against you Mr Van Hooser .. but Im in a state that is non disclosure and I could give a crap what the assessor has. We rely on our own work here and not that of someone that is working in a sweat shop having not seen a house in years and years.
Im glad my state is non disclosure .. sounds like many are spoiled having their assessors records.

 

[Couch Potato]

Obviously a slow day.

More than 80 posts on whether or not a central patio is GLA? I guess I need to read this thread. I never would have guessed the answer could be so complicated.



I see, the post was answered and acknowledged as such by post 8, but Joyce stirred the pot and Greg lit a fire underneath it. The guy I want to hear from is the AG who drew the earlier sketch which called an area with no roof GLA.

 

[John Hassler]

PE, your continued disparaging remarks of those who disagree with you is, to me, an indication of your overall professionalism.

Per the OP, there are two appraisers who have actually physically inspected this property. One believes it to be GLA and the other is on the fence as to whether it is or is not. Given their appraiser classifications, they each have a minimum of several thousand hours of appraising and likely tens of thousands of hours. It is doubtful this is a case of a simple open air atrium being mis characterized as GLA. The OP was a bit cryptic in their description, and clarification would be most helpful, but he did indicate that the area was "enclosed". Somehow, even though you have never seen the property, you are able to determine this atrium is absolutely not GLA. I do not know whether the atrium in question is or is not living area but it is possible for an enclosed atrium to be built to living area standards.

I did a quick search on the net and the city of Orinda, and upscale East Bay Community has this to say about enclosed atriums: "The area of a fully enclosed atrium shall be calculated as interior floor area" Link to Orinda Municipal Code (see Section 17.6.3)

 

[Couch Potato]

I did a quick search on the net and the city of Orinda, and upscale East Bay Community has this to say about enclosed atriums: "The area of a fully enclosed atrium shall be calculated as interior floor area" Link to Orinda Municipal Code (see Section 17.6.3)

"Floor area" is far different from "living area." A carport counts as "floor area" in Orinda. That law was passed to limit the size of houses in relation to the lot. It has nothing to do with how to measure the "living area" of a house.

 

[John Hassler]

"Floor area" is far different from "living area." A carport counts as "floor area" in Orinda. That law was passed to limit the size of houses in relation to the lot. It has nothing to do with how to measure the "living area" of a house.

Ah, the fun never stops here! Well apparently the city of Orinda considers a fully enclosed atrium to be not just "floor area" but "interior floor area". This is in contrast to a carport which is part of the general "floor area". Nice of you to omit this tidbit in your post. If you can find a similar city ordinance that states a "fully enclosed atrium" is not "interior floor area" then we'll have data that shows different cities view an enclosed atrium area differently.