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Perhaps the most refreshing aspect of the AMC intermediary business model is the absolute absence of pressure from individuals with an interest in the subject of an assignment--which I seem to recall was the rationale for changing the previous system, which was rife with the potential for routine corruption. Can anyone argue?
 
Can anyone argue?
I cannot recall but a single instance of real pressure from a loan officer of a real bank. I can recall a few mortgage brokers who would do so but I refused to work for them and turned back more than one rather than deal with it. So yes I can argue that for LOs who are paid a salary, and the bank eats its own cooking, the opposite impact is there. The banker is looking to CYA. The Loan originator is pawning the loan off on Fannie or FHA and therefore wants only to close the loan. I know 3 bankers who were fired for making bad loans. One was so bad he was banned from banking for life when the FDIC got involved (it literally almost took down the bank the loss was so bad.) When the loan department makes money (in house money) then bonuses are paid at the years end. If a loan is suspect and your appraisal doesn't support the loan, then guess what? They don't make the loan and hence don't lose money on it. So there is a financial interest in winnowing out the potentially problematic loans before they go sour. I've never heard of a mortgage broker fired for anything since they are generally independent operators.

I have had bankers that pestered me with piffle that had little to do with value and much to do with the value "situation"... As for that time I was pressured, and I fired the bank, it was when a borrower provided a fraudulent contract to the lender post-report that the proposed construction was under FHA contract for X dollars above the appraised value. The report wasn't for FHA. I was doing the construction loan with the builder as borrower. The "buyer" was one of the employees of the construction company and my three comps were all houses built by that very contractor in that very subdivision and it was bracketed by other price, size, and the fact all the sales were new construction within six months. It was a dead to nuts report but the loan officer assumed that I would jack up the value to match the contract. I told her NO...and in the end that house did not sell to the employee. And it sold for what I appraised it for within a few hundred bucks over a year later. That LO ended up canned and moved on to another bank and I won't work for them either.
 
I cannot recall but a single instance of real pressure from a loan officer of a real bank. I can recall a few mortgage brokers who would do so but I refused to work for them and turned back more than one rather than deal with it. So yes I can argue that for LOs who are paid a salary, and the bank eats its own cooking, the opposite impact is there. The banker is looking to CYA. The Loan originator is pawning the loan off on Fannie or FHA and therefore wants only to close the loan. I know 3 bankers who were fired for making bad loans. One was so bad he was banned from banking for life when the FDIC got involved (it literally almost took down the bank the loss was so bad.) When the loan department makes money (in house money) then bonuses are paid at the years end. If a loan is suspect and your appraisal doesn't support the loan, then guess what? They don't make the loan and hence don't lose money on it. So there is a financial interest in winnowing out the potentially problematic loans before they go sour. I've never heard of a mortgage broker fired for anything since they are generally independent operators.

I have had bankers that pestered me with piffle that had little to do with value and much to do with the value "situation"... As for that time I was pressured, and I fired the bank, it was when a borrower provided a fraudulent contract to the lender post-report that the proposed construction was under FHA contract for X dollars above the appraised value. The report wasn't for FHA. I was doing the construction loan with the builder as borrower. The "buyer" was one of the employees of the construction company and my three comps were all houses built by that very contractor in that very subdivision and it was bracketed by other price, size, and the fact all the sales were new construction within six months. It was a dead to nuts report but the loan officer assumed that I would jack up the value to match the contract. I told her NO...and in the end that house did not sell to the employee. And it sold for what I appraised it for within a few hundred bucks over a year later. That LO ended up canned and moved on to another bank and I won't work for them either.


About 45% of loan officers are paid commissions: "One survey showed that 45 percent of firms paid between 76 basis points to 150 basis points commission on each loan. Each basis point is 1/100th of one percent, so 76 basis points are just over ¾ of one percent. This means on a $100,000 loan, a loan officer would make around $760 commission. "

Usually higher commissions are paid by smaller banks.

 
About 45% of loan officers are paid commissions:
No BANK pays LOAN OFFICERS by commission that I know of. MORTGAGE LENDERS, MORTGAGE BROKERS, or MORTGAGE ORIGINATORS are paid by commission. Big difference. I never worked for originators. I worked for bank loan officers. A fricking mortgage company is not a bank. A mortgage broker is not a banker.
 
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Where does FNMAE obtain data used to determined potential alternative comps in the C.U. report?
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No BANK pays LOAN OFFICERS by commission that I know of. MORTGAGE LENDERS, MORTGAGE BROKERS, or MORTGAGE ORIGINATORS are paid by commission. Big difference. I never worked for originators. I worked for bank loan officers. A fricking mortgage company is not a bank. A mortgage broker is not a banker.
Mebbe. mebbe not. Every - repeat every - bank employee I know who interacts with the public has some part of her compensation that is performance (or goal, or commission, or etc.) driven. For the teller, it may be meeting the "goal" of "selling" another deposit account, or "selling" a credit card or "selling" a line of credit while an existing customer is at her window For a "banking officer", production goals for new deposit accounts, new loans, new LOC's, etc. are very much loaded in to total compensation. The same is true of branch managers (who may also be incentivized with some profit threshold that must be met). While these incentives may not be as direct as a loan officer's commission expressed as a percentage of origination (and often as percentage of any interest rate kicker of additional loan discounts), they are very real and are a basis for one keeping her job as well as receiving some sort of incentive comp.

My personal experience is that "lending officers" (the people handling purchase and refi mortgages, construction, home improvement & etc. loans are very, very quick to quit using an appraiser if that an appraiser jeopardizes that lending officer's relationship with a customer by delivering an unbiased appraisal. It's all about closing deals - it don't differ what the institution or the title on the door.

(This is a long-standing rant of mine: there can be no system of review, audit or administrative control in mortgage lending unless and until executive compensation is divorced from growth, profitability and stock performance goals. John Stumpf (didn't he walk with $130,000,000 and Tim Stone (whose comp was on the order of $17,000,000 per year) are/were not aberrations.) Until compliance is taken seriously, it will be treated with the "wink, wink, nod, nod" and will remain in a weak third place to profit and production.)
 
it will be treated with the "wink, wink, nod, nod"
Yes, banks that make money tend to share some profit with the loan officer, but profit is not in origination, rather is in a performing loan. Only those loans sold off would even produce an income for servicing or fees. But that is a loan originator when sold off. The LO has the incentive to make a well supported loan so that they do not get fired and making any and every "bad" loan is "bad" for the bottom line, so the incentive is to hire the best appraiser and know what the collateral is. The LO who manages to salvage the lent money in foreclosure is far better off than one who loses a few hundred thousand on a loan that was made with inadequate vetting of the property backing the loan. It's called skin in the game and if these CEOs had skin in the game many companies would be run better. Executive compensation is also much divorced from actual long term management and profitability of a company or bank.
 
No BANK pays LOAN OFFICERS by commission that I know of. MORTGAGE LENDERS, MORTGAGE BROKERS, or MORTGAGE ORIGINATORS are paid by commission. Big difference. I never worked for originators. I worked for bank loan officers. A fricking mortgage company is not a bank. A mortgage broker is not a banker.

The mortgage market is dominated by non-bank lenders.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/real...6bf5fc-d1f5-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html

Who frigging cares about what banks pay? Just go out on indeed.com and type in "loan officer" for "California". Who offers a salary of $150,000- $500,000/year, 3 years of experience, without a commission? WHO? - When you want to prove your point, WHATEVER IT IS, you throw impartiality and honesty to the wind:

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The mortgage market is dominated by non-bank lenders.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/real...6bf5fc-d1f5-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html

5 of the top ten mortgage originators (by volume) were banks, occupying positions 1, 3, 4, 8 & 9, for $237.2 Billion: the other 5 originated $176.4 Billion, no chump change but only 43% of originations. Quicken is the second largest ($81.3 Billion, 4.9% of originations) and our good buddy Wells Fargo was leader of the pack with $93 Billion and 5.6% of total originations).

(Figures are for 2017 originations and are published by Housing Wire, October 2018. I believe Quicken originated more than WF in the last quarter of 2017, which sparked its claim to be the largest mortgage lender.)
 
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