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Black couple settle lawsuit as home value at $500k below real price

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Also, not to forget. Marin City is where you find the housing projects:

Marin City 507 units of extremely low income to very low income apartments.

Sausalito has only about 23 low and moderate income boat berths.

From the attached map, the subject is only a block or two away from most of these units. You cannot say this will not have an impact on the subject house price.

Source: Marin County GIS Database Download. You can download the shapefiles and bring them in QGIS to get all kinds of information and maps. ....
I don't see the appraisal necessity to deep dive into the attributes of the residents of the area. Any area.

In an oceanfront community where the homes on the ocean side sell for $6m and the homes across the street sell for $3m, I don't need to know that it's doctors and lawyers on the $3m side and CEOs on the other. All I need to know is that if sales from one side of the street were used as comparable sales in a value analysis of a home on the other side that a $3m adjustment would be necessary for the attribute of oceanfront vs non-oceanfront. (I'm thinking of the Seadrift neighborhood on the ocean side of the county but Manhattan Beach and the like of So Cal likely have a similar disparity.)

I'll leave the demographics of the residents up to sociologists like Korver and Perry to discuss and analyze. Any input I would have in that arena would make me look foolish and could be shot down by a second year sociology student. Likewise, Korver and Perry should stay out of the appraisal of real estate lest their theories and opinions be ridiculed and dismantled by even a Trainee appraiser.
 
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Idk. $350K seems like a huge renovation. That view is nice if they are standing on their deck. I just hope they didn't get carried away on renovations. I have no clue. I know $350K is a huge renovation. to that house. It could very well be an overimprovement for that Marin City market.

Many many times people should hire an appraiser on the front end before they do a $350K renovation.

If the appraiser can't find even *one* comp to bracket the subject's GLA and condition in the subject's neighborhood then that's a big red flag that it's an overimprovement.
 
The article is sort of confusing, it says a real estate agent appraised the home, was it an agent or a licensed appraiser? And what was the purpose, a pre-listing CMA by an agent or an actual appraisal by an appraiser for refinance purposes or whatever? The article also states both appraisals came from different employees of the same company, if so, one would think the owner of that company should have realized they received assignments for the same property within weeks of each other. If they were on top of things of their company they would have assigned the second appraisal assignment to the same appraiser, or at the least made sure the two reports did not conflict with each before sending them off to the Client.

I watched the documentary and they had the first appraisal done, then had an agent do a BPO, and then got the second appraisal.
 
Has anyone ran comps in Marin City for 2019 to early 2020 when the first appraisal was done?
 
Thanks for posting this.
Most appraisers will never come across in their lifetime an appraisal assignment as complex as this one in Marin City. There is very little good data in the neighborhood (as I have provided) and only bad data in the adjacent areas (as I have shown with the high and low sales in Sausalito). Most any appraisal is going to have areas that can be attacked, not because the appraiser didn't support their adjustments or write enough but because each of those adjustments has such a high tolerance level. You're not fighting over whether the GLA adjustment should be $100 or $150 per sf, which might make a 2% difference in adjusted sales prices. You're arguing over a location adjustment for outside sales that is likely, at minimum, 20% and probably more and therefore has a 20%, or more, effect on the adjusted sales price.
Additionally, based on the 10 years of sales I posted, it's as if the market itself (the buyers and sellers) don't have a firm grasp on what prices should be (the built in noise for the area is just wide). Just in the past year, the "pole" home needing work sold for $50,000 more than the one that was turnkey. Why?
That two appraisers came it at different values in Marin City is no surprise to me although one at $995,000 and another at $1,485,000 is more than I would expect. Given that the market in southern Marin has been as hot or hotter than any other Bay Area neighborhood in the past 3 years, and the two MC sales in the past year were $1,250,000 and $1,300,000, one of those appraisers more than the other may want to revisit the value model they utilized (which is something all of us should do from time to time).

Something seems off about both of the appraisals. I wonder if the first appraisal had even been $1.1M whether the owners would have suspected discrimination.
 
I don't see the appraisal necessity to deep dive into the attributes of the residents of the area. Any area.

In an oceanfront community where the homes on the ocean side sell for $6m and the homes across the street sell for $3m, I don't need to know that it's doctors and lawyers on the $3m side and CEOs on the other. All I need to know is that if sales from one side of the street were used as comparable sales in a value analysis of a home on the other side that a $3m adjustment would be necessary for the attribute of oceanfront vs non-oceanfront. (I'm thinking of the Seadrift neighborhood on the ocean side of the county but Manhattan Beach and the like of So Cal likely have a similar disparity.)

I'll leave the demographics of the residents up to sociologists like Korver and Perry to discuss and analyze. Any input I would have in that arena would make me look foolish and could be shot down by a second year sociology student. Likewise, Korver and Perry should stay out of the appraisal of real estate lest their theories and opinions be ridiculed and dismantled by even a Trainee appraiser.

Marin City, as you know is relatively speaking sparsely populated for the area, i.e. compared to Sausalito on the west and Mill Valley to the northeast. The 2020 population is just 2,993. So, those 507 units probably represent over a third of the population of Marin City. And to make matters worse, this affordable low income housing is close to the subject property in question. So, market value does depend on whether people prefer one area to another as well as one house to another. Both tend to be important.

You run regressions and build pricing models that indicate for example that there is a significant price difference between two areas. You could leave it at that, I agree. In fact, if the reason were race, the guidelines state that you should avoid stating race as the cause. OK. Fine. Just state the area is lower priced because that is what the regression indicates. ---> But, if the lower-priced area has a significant black population (e.g. 40% for Marin City) and you get accused of bias, when there is another good reason for the price difference, then to defend yourself you will be quite justified to express that other good reason.

As many have said and believe, the decision in the Miller case was a gross travesty of justice with respect to caving in apparently to the value of $1.5M. So, we as appraisers, are justified in investigating this further to determine the real situation, in order to develop protocols for avoiding these situations or dealing with them should they arise in the future.

So far there has been little mention of the existence, per Marin County records, of relatively significant numbers of affordable housing units for only "very low income" and "extremely low income" people in the subject neighborhood.

I submit that these issues, over decades, have created a less desirable neighborhood in Marin City that has led through various mechanisms to lower market values for single family residential homes.

Marin City is Marin City. Market Value is Market Value. Everybody knows that. These kinds of neighborhoods are backed into a corner, so to say. They ARE less desirable overall. You can try blackmail and scare appraisers into overvaluing them for a period of time. You could possibly justify such actions by saying they are rectifying injustice created by previous generations. But it would be pretty expensive for someone to keep up this farce for any length of time. Eventually, the homes will wind up on the open market and people will pay based on how well they - and their neighborhood - do or do not compete with surrounding areas and properties. And injustice is everywhere in all societies, going back in time as far as possible. It should be acceptable to focus on the current situations and develop equitable rules for dealing with a valuation that will work and not cause problems. - Another discussion that needs to go beyond race, to the long-term survival of mankind.
 
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Oh yes, no problem. The problem is getting good photos and plans for the property at the time of the appraisal, that is the problem.
 
If the appraiser can't find even *one* comp to bracket the subject's GLA and condition in the subject's neighborhood then that's a big red flag that it's an overimprovement.
That is not necessarily the case. Keep in mind that half the value of property in the San Francisco Bay area is often around 50% land. So you probably could get by with cheap construction in Marin City that would not go over as well in Sausalito or Mill Valley. I think that getting approvals in unincorporated areas like Marin City is a bit easier than in incorporated areas like Sausalito, but don't quote me on that.
 
Too many here are focusing on the physical improvements of the property. To be a good residential appraiser in this area one must be a good land appraiser. From what limited documents have been made public,the plaintiff's are arguing that appraisers should consider sales from outside Marin City.
Below is a list of MLS sales for the past 12 months in Marin City and Sausalito of detached homes with between 1,800sf and 2,600sf of living area. These were the only search criteria and the list is inclusive of all sales meeting those parameters (the lot sizes are a combination of feet and acres, blame the listing agent not me). The sales are ordered by Sales Price. The first two sales, both on Buckelew St, are in Marin City while the remaining sales are in Sausalito. The third property down the list, on Lincoln Dr, is probably the closest to Marin City being about two block on the other side of the freeway separating the two communities.

Bases on the information provided, could you draw a conclusion that something other than building area and lot size is impacting sale price. How comfortable would you be using a sale from Sausalito when valuing a home in Marin City? What are the chances an inexperienced or out-of-the-area appraiser could make a catastrophic error? (Hint: Note the jump in sale price and jump in $/sf between MC and Sausalito)



Street Full AddressLPSPSDSF$/SFLot
23-25 Buckelew St
1,200,000​
1,250,000​
7/27/2022​
2272​
550​
0.1889​
81 Buckelew St
1,150,000​
1,300,000​
10/14/2022​
2302​
565​
0.2281​
63 Lincoln Dr
1,899,000​
1,852,000​
2/24/2023​
1867​
992​
0.0666​
86-88 Rodeo Ave
1,898,000​
1,866,500​
6/23/2022​
2220​
841​
7000​
99 Cloud View Rd
1,998,000​
1,950,000​
9/29/2022​
2380​
819​
0.2032​
217 North St
2,250,000​
2,325,000​
6/1/2022​
2052​
1133​
0.0482​
93 Crescent Ave
2,500,000​
2,400,000​
5/12/2022​
2104​
1141​
0.1033​
31 Central Ave
2,450,000​
2,404,000​
11/23/2022​
2446​
983​
0.1515​
105 Santa Rosa Ave
2,598,000​
2,450,000​
1/17/2023​
2195​
1116​
0.1149​
236 Spencer Ave
2,497,000​
2,450,000​
9/28/2022​
2485​
986​
0.1995​
100 Woodward Ave
2,195,000​
2,475,000​
5/16/2022​
2188​
1131​
7875​
164-166 Bulkley Ave
1,995,000​
2,500,000​
9/16/2022​
2139​
1169​
5152​
124 Glen Dr
2,549,000​
2,549,000​
11/1/2022​
2565​
994​
5959​
11 Vista Clara Rd
2,750,000​
2,550,000​
7/22/2022​
2581​
988​
13600​
210 West St
2,399,000​
2,800,000​
3/17/2022​
2159​
1297​
0.0758​
71 Woodward
2,450,000​
2,850,000​
7/8/2022​
2360​
1208​
10800​
200 San Carlos Ave
2,199,000​
2,860,000​
4/11/2022​
1953​
1464​
0.0803​
158 Spencer Ave
2,585,000​
2,950,218​
5/27/2022​
2505​
1178​
0.1415​
199 Bulkley Ave
2,995,000​
3,010,000​
7/19/2022​
2199​
1369​
0.1157​
231 Cazneau Ave
2,000,000​
3,050,000​
6/28/2022​
2380​
1282​
0.1429​
70 San Carlos Ave
2,695,000​
3,245,000​
8/8/2022​
2272​
1428​
7552​
187 Harrison Ave
3,295,000​
3,250,000​
10/31/2022​
2540​
1280​
0.1561​
6 Toyon Ct
2,750,000​
3,330,000​
5/16/2022​
2575​
1293​
519 Bonita St
2,995,000​
3,400,000​
5/2/2022​
2545​
1336​
0.1191​
26 Crecienta Dr
2,695,000​
3,500,000​
4/7/2022​
2453​
1427​
0.2167​
Okay, what was subject appraised at?
 
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