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Around here, half of those guys have bikes. They seem to like ponchos quite a bit, too. My wife calls certain parts of town "bike country".

It may be a trend. Monday night I saw a guy on a bike pulling, not one, not two, but three of those baby buggy things full of stuff behind his bike.

My appraisal software has a BPO form in it. I checked it out briefly to see if I was interested in doing them. I wouldn't touch one for less than a typical fee. I don't see how it could be interpreted as anything but an Appraisal. There is a lot of information to be researched, that could be misleading if "skimmed over".
 
Those forms may say "BPO" up at the top, but they're being used primarily for appraisals. The only question is whether the end result complies with all our minimums or not, and that's dependent on the individual.
 
What would you point to as positive change, and about when did it begin to take place?

I was active on this forum way back and then got kicked of for saying my mind and not putting up with the old-fashioned crap you don't see much of anymore. Then my posts all got deleted. ( So I switched over to the Wintotal forum which was "better managed" at the time and also Brian Davis tolerated my comments, - despite all the complaints.) Otherwise I could point you to my old objections to the USPAP in this forum from 4-5 years ago. Mostly that USPAP was full of contradictions and ambiguities. The ambiguity in USPAP has cleared up to a large extent - for one thing. ... To my defense I could bring some attorneys who had similar complaints.... But that was 4-5+ years ago and I don't have time right now to go back and dig up the details.

Bert Craytor, SRA
 
Bert,
I remember swapping posts with you way back about regression. I enjoyed that because you may be the only one on here I can learn something from. The MARS software was a great find, and I have your PPT presnetation.

I have been criticizing the work of the ASB on here for 8 years, and no one threatened my membership. Ambiguity is a problem in USPAP. I can't think of how that has been improved lately. Ambiguity starts with the definition of appraisal which refers to both a process and a result. That obligates the authors to use qualifiers every time they use the word appraisal appears for readers to know whether the reference is to process, result or both.

In response to the ASB questionaire from January, I gave an extensive answer about the best and worst parts of USPAP. I pointed out that the section with the ethical provisions of USPAP is the better part. There is little there that could be tweaked, although there are canons that one could consider adding (conflict of interest comes to mind). I pointed that the signficant problems are in the part that deals with performance.

Most of the individual problems in USPAP are in the lower-lever rules, IMO.
- First off, USPAP has contained the phrase "common basis of all practice" for quite a while. The idea of "specific requirements" that only go to specific situations is, on its face, in contradication with the idea of "basis of all practice." Thus the idea of deleting say, SR 1-4, in its entirety, suggests itself.
- Second, almost all of the really bad errors are in SR 1-4. Some of it is inscrutable and some of it is just erroneous. For example, in the income approach requirement, it says one must estimate expenses. That assumes there is only net income capitalization. That means every time anyone used GRM's, they were in violation. Further, SR 1-1a "correctly employ recognized methods" already covers dealing with expenses when necessary. One can critique vritually every one of these specific requirements in SR 1-4 for including false assumptions, bad language verging on inchoherence, and lack of necessity.
- Also at a "low" rule level, there is SMT-3. I am not sure there is any need to establish a uniform standard there. I believe the language of the rule contradicts the ASB's intent and the idea of (apparently) requiring the use of certain verb tenses is silly.
- Finally, Std 3 is a disaster (and the opinions about AVMs are loopy).

The loopy opinion on AVM's cycles me back to the original topic, BPOs. In terms of the part of the USPAP defintiion that states an appraisal is a result, an opinion, it is hard for me to see how it makes any difference whether the person developing it was assisted by a computer or calls it a BPO.
 
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Bert,
I remember swapping posts with you way back about regression. I enjoyed that because you may be the only one on here I can learn something from. The MARS software was a great find, and I have your PPT presnetation.

I have been criticizing the work of the ASB on here for 8 years, and no one threatened my membership. Ambiguity is a problem in USPAP. I can't think of how that has been improved lately. Ambiguity starts with the definition of appraisal which refers to both a process and a result. That obligates the authors to use qualifiers every time they use the word appraisal appears for readers to know whether the reference is to process, result or both.

In response to the ASB questionaire from January, I gave an extensive answer about the best and worst parts of USPAP. I pointed out that the section with the ethical provisions of USPAP is the better part. There is little there that could be tweaked, although there are canons that one could consider adding (conflict of interest comes to mind). I pointed that the signficant problems are in the part that deals with performance.

Most of the individual problems in USPAP are in the lower-lever rules, IMO.
- First off, USPAP has contained the phrase "common basis of all practice" for quite a while. The idea of "specific requirements" that only go to specific situations is, on its face, in contradication with the idea of "basis of all practice." Thus the idea of deleting say, SR 1-4, in its entirety, suggests itself.
- Second, almost all of the really bad errors are in SR 1-4. Some of it is inscrutable and some of it is just erroneous. For example, in the income approach requirement, it says one must estimate expenses. That assumes there is only net income capitalization. That means every time anyone used GRM's, they were in violation. Further, SR 1-1a "correctly employ recognized methods" already covers dealing with expenses when necessary. One can critique vritually every one of these specific requirements in SR 1-4 for including false assumptions, bad language verging on inchoherence, and lack of necessity.
- Also at a "low" rule level, there is SMT-3. I am not sure there is any need to establish a uniform standard there. I believe the language of the rule contradicts the ASB's intent and the idea of (apparently) requiring the use of certain verb tenses is silly.
- Finally, Std 3 is a disaster (and the opinions about AVMs are loopy).

The loopy opinion on AVM's cycles me back to the original topic, BPOs. In terms of the part of the USPAP defintiion that states an appraisal is a result, an opinion, it is hard for me to see how it makes any difference whether the person developing it was assisted by a computer or calls it a BPO.

Seven,

I was just saying that it was getting better. Yea, it still needs a lot of improvement.

So, you are using MARS? I'm looking for appraisers that can work at that level. I've been working for almost the past year on a new appraisal product that will support MARS, among many other things - but support for the product from the "traditional" appraiser community is dwindling due largely to market conditions.

I'm looking for more support. Maybe we can make contact in a couple of months. I'm also interested in hearing from anyone else looking for a software package for residential and commercial software that breaks through the old restrictive barriers and also will support internationalization (Only in the US are forms popular - overseas it's all narrative.). Most of the appraisal companies here in the US are just interested in forms technology and keeping themselves afloat with their existing products through the current crisis. I have a much broader vision.


Bert Craytor, SRA
 
So, you are using MARS?
Just to play with. My market data is too limited and non-conforming. However, it is easy to see the usefulness of the technique.

I have a much broader vision.
Sure. Now, there are three people posting here (that I know of) who know that "data mining" and stealing data are two different things. :)
 
Bert,
I remember swapping posts with you way back about regression. I enjoyed that because you may be the only one on here I can learn something from..


Gee Steve, you just gave a complex to over 10,000 appraisers who post or lurk here.:rof:
 
Gee Steve, you just gave a complex to over 10,000 appraisers who post or lurk here.:rof:

Thats great because it simply means we will all learn an awful lot if we keep reading our friend Steven's post.

Big win for us, big waste of time for him! :)
 
If you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory...

So, according to your motto if you have a good memory, then you can't be telling the truth. However, that leaves open the possibility that you don't have a good memory, and you therefore may or may not be telling the truth. In other words, if you don't have a good memory, we don't really know what to say about the truth of whatever you state. This leaves open the extended possibility that one isn't saying anything at all. It should be noted, if what you're saying isn't the truth, it may not be a lie - it could just be, can we say - nonsense. Nonsense isn't a lie, but then it doesn't qualify as truth. In any case, I hope the above doesn't apply to 10,000 appraisers.

Now of course Steven learns a lot from other appraisers ... it's just that it is 80-90% of the same thing after awhile. The same old complaints about brokers asking for comp checks, ya da ya da ya da. Zaio. But I engage in this to. Especially Zaio. Why? I'm not sure. I've got better things to do and we really all know the story about Zaio, comp checks, etc. etc.. I guess, when someone else comes along with an opposing idea, we feel it's better to snuff them out right away before the idiots (in our narrow minded opinion) start to really gather to the fold.

But with regard to technical issues related to USPAP, MARS and a few other advanced appraisal issues, there's currently not much to worry about in this regard. Although I'm, on the other hand, sure the day will come...

Bert Craytor, SRA
 
So, according to your motto if you have a good memory, then you can't be telling the truth. However, that leaves open the possibility that you don't have a good memory, and you therefore may or may not be telling the truth. In other words, if you don't have a good memory, we don't really know what to say about the truth of whatever you state. This leaves open the extended possibility that one isn't saying anything at all. It should be noted, if what you're saying isn't the truth, it may not be a lie - it could just be, can we say - nonsense. Nonsense isn't a lie, but then it doesn't qualify as truth. In any case, I hope the above doesn't apply to 10,000 appraisers.

Now of course Steven learns a lot from other appraisers ... it's just that it is 80-90% of the same thing after awhile. The same old complaints about brokers asking for comp checks, ya da ya da ya da. Zaio. But I engage in this to. Especially Zaio. Why? I'm not sure. I've got better things to do and we really all know the story about Zaio, comp checks, etc. etc.. I guess, when someone else comes along with an opposing idea, we feel it's better to snuff them out right away before the idiots (in our narrow minded opinion) start to really gather to the fold.

But with regard to technical issues related to USPAP, MARS and a few other advanced appraisal issues, there's currently not much to worry about in this regard. Although I'm, on the other hand, sure the day will come...

Bert Craytor, SRA


Not my motto. It is a statement that Judge Judy, the second highest paid person in television behind Oprah, often makes on her show.

It simply means that if you are telling the truth, your story will not change based on questioning, or any other circumstance unless you suddenly become mentally incompetent. But....what the hell has that got to do with what I said to Steve? Unless of course it was to just be a smart ***.

I have been posting on forums with Steve for many years, and long before this forum came along so I don't need a lesson in Steveism's. Classify me as one of the idiot's you were referring to if you wish. I simply don't give a damn:icon_mrgreen:
 
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