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When I heard Oracle was moving I was in shock. Oracle had contributed to the high home prices in the nearby communities.
It's like the steel mill company leaving Pittsburg. It will have a big impact with less jobs.
 
The Russian hacking into a software company called SolarWinds in Austin, Texas is a harbinger for other out of state companies to rethink about relocating to Texas.
If tech companies want the best workers, Silicon Valley is the place to be.
With all due respect to Texas, many don't want to move to Texas because of the weather. Thus, Texas won't get the brightest minds wanting to move there.
 


California population growth hits record lows, stifled by COVID-19 and continued exodus​

Alexis Small kisses her newborn, Aubrielle Kitchen, during a family Zoom call in Los Angeles

Alexis Small kisses her newborn, Aubrielle Kitchen, during a Zoom family call Nov. 26 in Los Angeles. Birth rates in California are declining, with 14,000 fewer babies born in the year that ended July 31, 2020, than in the previous 12-month period.
(Brandon Bell / Getty Images)
By HAYLEY SMITH,
HAILEY BRANSON-POTTS
DEC. 16, 2020
2:56 PM

UPDATED8:50 PM
After more than three decades, Scott Fuller was fed up with living in California.
The taxes are just too darn high, he said. The housing prices too. And so in June, the San Francisco Bay Area real estate broker, his wife and two kids packed their bags and moved to Arizona.
“I never wanted to leave California,” said Fuller, 48, who has lived in the Golden State since 1983. “It’s the most beautiful state with the best climate. I think the tipping point was continued tax increases and even more proposed tax increases.... I have absolutely no regrets.”
Like Fuller, a lot of Californians are running for the exit, a trend exacerbated this year by COVID-19 as more people moved away and pandemic restrictions slowed migration into the state, according to data released Wednesday.
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California’s population is now growing at its slowest rate in more than a century.
The California Department of Finance, which monitors the state’s population data, found that from July 1, 2019 to July 1, 2020, California saw a net gain of only 21,200 new residents — a 0.05% growth rate not seen since 1900. As of July, the state’s population was 39.78 million.
Over that period, Los Angeles County reported a net loss of 40,036 people, more than any other county in the state.
“This is a real sea change in California, which used to be this state of pretty robust population growth,” said Hans Johnson, a demographer at the Public Policy Institute of California. “It hasn’t been for some time now. But it’s now gotten to the point where the state is essentially not growing population-wise at all.”


The data underscore concerns that the COVID-19 pandemic is fueling greater migration out of California, both from people priced out of coastal areas and those who suddenly had the ability to work remotely.
The “California exodus” storyline was bolstered in recent weeks when two tech titans, Elon Musk and Larry Ellison, announced they were moving to Texas and Hawaii, respectively.
But for the average person, California’s high housing costs pose the greatest challenge, particularly when combined with staggering job losses tied to the pandemic.
The state has been seeing slowing growth for several years, driven by a factors that include lower birth rates and people moving away for economic and political reasons.
COVID-19 has affected the trend in several ways.
About 280,000 Californians died during the 12-month period, representing a higher-than-average surge, year over year. That is due partly to the state’s aging population, the report said, and partly to COVID-19, which had killed more than 6,000 Californians by July.
The pandemic also affected immigration, said H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for the Department of Finance. As the virus raged, work patterns dramatically shifted and many international borders were closed.
“A lot of people who might otherwise have come to California didn’t, because they didn’t go anywhere,” Palmer said. “They stayed home. That’s something that’s different than any other year.”
Birth rates also continued to decline, with 14,000 fewer babies born than in the same period last year, according to the report.
“That’s a significant decline from 2019,” said Walter Schwarm, the state finance department’s chief demographer. “And if we go back five or 10 years, in terms of growth, that’s 70,000 Californians that aren’t here.”
Many millennials are delaying childbirth, Schwarm said, while Gen Xers have mostly stopped giving birth and Gen Z is “not quite there yet.”
Of the 10 most populous counties in California, seven saw a drop in residents: Los Angeles, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Santa Clara, Alameda and Contra Costa. Riverside, Sacramento and Fresno counties saw population gains.
Most of California’s coastal counties lost population.
By contrast, several inland counties — including El Dorado, Glenn, Yuba and Merced — saw population growth during this period, a trend Palmer attributed to housing availability and affordability, as well as lifestyle changes that could drive people to seek out different areas.
Although rural areas have been losing residents for years, primarily because of a lack of jobs, the recent loss of residents in urban areas is especially noteworthy, Johnson said.
“Its no longer just the small rural counties that are losing population,” he said, adding that housing costs are one of the primary factors.
If the trends continue statewide and California’s population decreases, one of the most immediate effects could be the loss of a seat in Congress, Johnson said.
Wildfires also played a role in population changes, the report said.
Butte County, which was ravaged by the 2018 Camp fire, lost population over the 12-month period, although the magnitude was slower than the previous year, according to the report. In September, the county suffered again in the North Complex fire. Any population losses from that will be reflected in next year’s report.
There have been large out-migrations from Southern California in the past, Palmer said, including a period in the early 1990s tied to the collapse of the defense and aerospace industries. The current shift is reflective of a downward trend that began around 2016.
Although growth rates are slowing, Palmer and Schwarm both said that California remains a desirable place to live, as evidenced by the record high home prices reached this year.
And yet, so many Californians are leaving that Fuller caters specifically to them. Three years ago, the longtime real estate broker created two websites: LeavingTheBayArea.com and LeavingSoCal.com. He has kept busy.
His clients are retirees and working families who can’t afford to remain in the Bay Area. They are people fleeing wildfire risk. And increasingly, they are affluent people moving to states with low or no income tax.
Some of the most popular locations, he said, are Austin, Texas; Dallas; Boise, Idaho; and Phoenix. In a typical month, he and his team of real estate agents help to relocate 15 to 18 families out of California, and “we’re certainly seeing an increase in people exploring their options.”
Even though his team is still based in the Bay Area, he now works remotely from Arizona. The pandemic forced more companies to let their employees work from home, and that has been “one of the biggest dynamics changes” for people who were already considering leaving California, he said.
If people can keep the same salary and work in a cheaper location, Fuller said, they’re jumping at the opportunity. The trend started before COVID, he said, but the pandemic sped up the process. People considering moving in three to five years are now moving in one to two.
“It’s really sped up the out-migration quite a bit,” Fuller said. “People have options now, and you pair that with people’s frustration on several different levels — I don’t see it changing.”
 
There are a lot of people struggling to live in California. United States is a mobile where they can move to cheaper places to live.
For those with money, California is a great place to live. Silicon valley high tech workers are paid well and they like living there.
Microsoft and Amazon started out of California and they're came back and growing opening offices and warehouses.
The Russians outsmarted the company in Austin, Texas. Silicon Valley will have to clean up their mess.
I'd seen Silicon Valley had it's ups and downs through four decades but always survived and thrived because of the entrepreneurship and people.
 
Unfortunately, a side effect of this trend is the net export of the defective philosophies of life/government that ruined CA in the first place. But that can't be helped in a free country. That's why some of us are moving there too in order to strengthen the forces of light against the forces of darkness in the places we are going. There-wasn't that nicely put - and non-political to boot? ;)
 
It seems to me that people can influence their environment and can also be influenced by their environment.
 
There are a lot of people struggling to live in California. United States is a mobile where they can move to cheaper places to live.
For those with money, California is a great place to live. Silicon valley high tech workers are paid well and they like living there.
Microsoft and Amazon started out of California and they're came back and growing opening offices and warehouses.
The Russians outsmarted the company in Austin, Texas. Silicon Valley will have to clean up their mess.
I'd seen Silicon Valley had it's ups and downs through four decades but always survived and thrived because of the entrepreneurship and people.
Yes, California firms are impervious to Russian Hacking.

Spies with Russia’s foreign intelligence service believed to have hacked a top American cybersecurity firm and stolen its sensitive tools - The Washington Post

FireEye is in California, no?
 
Forget the political angle. I don't think companies are moving due to politics, per se. I think they're moving for economic reasons, to which the politics can contribute but which also include other considerations. WRT Silicon Valley in particular I think housing prices for the workers are definitely a factor. The ratio of highly paid vs moderately paid workers in a tech firm have to be relatively low, so whether the few can fully enjoy the coastal lifestyle or not it ultimately matters what the lower paid workers can afford.

If you're a $100k/yr tech worker and can barely afford to rent a 2bd apt in the town where you work you might have aspirations of owning your own home that won't be possible to achieve in Silicon Valley. At that point those $300k starter homes on the south side of Austin might provide a strong motivation to relocate.
 
Forget the political angle. I don't think companies are moving due to politics, per se. I think they're moving for economic reasons, to which the politics can contribute but which also include other considerations. WRT Silicon Valley in particular I think housing prices for the workers are definitely a factor. The ratio of highly paid vs moderately paid workers in a tech firm have to be relatively low, so whether the few can fully enjoy the coastal lifestyle or not it ultimately matters what the lower paid workers can afford.

If you're a $100k/yr tech worker and can barely afford to rent a 2bd apt in the town where you work you might have aspirations of owning your own home that won't be possible to achieve in Silicon Valley. At that point those $300k starter homes on the south side of Austin might provide a strong motivation to relocate.
It is public policy (what some might call "politics") that are a MAJOR contributing, if not THE factor in creating the situations like those you describe, which result in companies moving to greener pastures. "Green" BS (read: genuflecting to the new pagan religion) is a part of that. Expect more of it to come. (One of my fantasies is becoming dictator of California and - as my very first act - dynamiting every single bird-killing, inefficient, taxpayer robbing windmill in the entire state. :LOL: )
 
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