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Can a home with no appliances be signed 'as is' ?

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How do you know that the appliances will work when installed? If it has been rehabbed, the gas/electric lines may or may not be functional. Do you really have a kitchen when there are no cooking facilities?
If your going to value the property "as-is", CYA!!
 
Ron, your attitude sucks. My point is, there ARE people who know how to handle these deals... and do them legitimately! No, conventional financing is not the way to do it. Yes, "in house" or a "construction to perm" is the way. Nothing wrong with doing that, and I have many, many, many times. I don't need Skippy or a crooked FHA appraiser, and I have never had a deal shot down for questionable values or unrealistic loan expectations! It's the bull shyte attitude like this that has really made me tiresome of this forum. I find it completely incomprehensible that appraisers who practice real estate every day of the week can't see outside their URAR box! Obviously, appraisers don't ever need loans for home improvements or construction. Why my goodness.... that would be like a Pastor having sex.
 
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Do you really have a kitchen when there are no cooking facilities?

Sure you do. You may not have "functioning" kitchen but that can all be handled with personal property.

Do you really have a bedroom without any beds? Of course you do. Just because there are no beds in the bedrooms, you don't "not count" those as rooms or leave them out of the GLA. You certainly do not condition the report, making it "subject to the installation of certified sleeping devices to be inspected by a licensed sleep inspector."

Same thing IMNSHO.
 
Seems our current crop of newbie appraisers only lack one thing.....common sense!
 
My point was this;
If a "room" has no functioning systems that allow for the installation of kitchen "fixtures", is it an existing kitchen? Or just a room that's subject to becoming kitchen.
I probably should have been less abbreviated in my response.
 
It is starting to seem like some of us are becoming afraid of our own shadows.... :shrug:
 
For a room to be used as a kitchen, as I see it, it has to have two things: electricity and running water. All else is extra. And based on where it is located and the utility, maybe those are not necessary.

Give me a room with electricity and running water and I can use it as a kitchen during a 9 day fishing trip. Granted, it may not have Sub-Zero appliances and all of the fancy stuff you see in the cooking shows, but it can and will function as a kitchen.

As an appraiser, that is all that I am concerned with in forming an opinion of value. If a house has a C of O issued in 1992 and now, at todays inspection, there is no stove or refrigerator or, heaven forbid, no microwave, it's still called a kitchen in my report.

So you have a house with no appliances in the kitchen but you have counter-tops and cabinets and sinks. What are you going to do? Will you condition the report on the installation of fridge and stove and ovens etc.? Will you require all of these to be installed so you can give a value? If so, on what authority do you require all of this to be done? Remember that when you condition a report, it is typically for one of two reasons: to clarify a condition or to correct a condition. If there are no appliances in the kitchen area, you do not need clarification. So you think that you need to correct the condition. My question is simple: One what do you base your requirement for the spending of hundreds and maybe thousands of dollars? Does FNMA or Freddie or USDA or FHA require that there be a stove and refrigerator in the house in order for you to give a value? If not, where do you get your authority for requiring these things be added. You say it is a requirement of the C of O. Very well, are you familiar with all of the other requirements for a C of O and did you inspect the house to ascertain if all of these requirements were met? If not, then you have held yourself out as an authority on C of O requirements and have not done your due diligence in inspecting the property.

My point is this: So much of the nit picky stuff laid out in appraisal reports is simply appraiser ego rearing its ugly head. Keep the job simple and within the boundaries of your qualifications. No appliances in a kitchen? You want appliances in a kitchen and see their absence as functional, then so state in the report, fully explain why you think this way and dock the value the cost to cure. Then be prepared to defend yourself if challenged. If it were an appraisal on my house, I would scream bloody murder as an unreasonable adjustment/requirement that is not founded on any specific requirement in the lending guidelines or the Supplemental Standards. I doubt that peer review would support such a conditioning of a report based only on the lack of stove and refrigerator in a kitchen.
 
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Give me a room with electricity and running water and I can use it as a kitchen during a 9 day fishing trip. Granted, it may not have Sub-Zero appliances and all of the fancy stuff you see in the cooking shows, but it can and will function as a kitchen.

Man, you have fancy cabins! My fishing camp cabin was one room 20x18 with a two burner counter top propane stove. Water was brought in up from the lake in a bucket. We drank it and also washed dishes and ourselves in two plastic tubs.

Could I appraise this property? You bet! Would I require appliances? I don't think so, especially since there is no electricity.
 
THank you all very much for contributing to this discussion. After reading some replies i'm sure this question seemed trivial but it was something with which i have never dealt.


To clarify the intent of this post, i was not trying to ask what i can do in an appraisal report to get by (in case that was how it was interpreted), but to know the acceptable and traditional method in completing this assignment, as well as your thoughts and experiences. Your suggestion about finding lender guidelines, and FNMA's specific requirements was a great help. Thanks again.
 
I would make an additional comment about missing appliances just to make it stand out. Just as long as you fully disclose, anything can be appraised "as is". Will your client make a loan on the property without the appliances? If NOT, that would be when I would make it "subject to".
 
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