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Can Value Be Higher Than Highest Comp?

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Several of the markets in which I work have had spiking price increases which leave an appraiser no recent comparables for explanation. A look at current pending sales or active listings will usually give an and up-t-date view of what's going on in the market. I frequently use those listings, especially pending sales, to provide that viewpoint for the underwriter.

If you need rules, here's one for you. Develop your report based on sound reasoning and communicate your reasoning and conclusion clearly to the reader.
 
Originally posted by Mark Deason@May 27 2005, 07:22 AM
If you are under the belief that your end value can't be over the highest comp, it was obvious the appraised price was going to be short of the purchase price.

How would you feel if some stranger told you that about your house based on just a few sales from the past year, when you know fully well that there are more expensive nicer homes in the neighborhood, but have not sold?
 
I hope that you have changed your belief, Mark. If you feel you want to bracket your sales based on their unadjusted sales price, then as others have suggested, simply find a sale of a superior property. You are not appraising the Taj Mahal. There's always something better if you choose to bracket it that way.

To answer your question regarding the addition and below grade area, refer to the following from the Fannie Mae guide:
Rooms that are not included in the above-grade room count may add substantially to the value of a property--particularly when the quality of the "finish" is high. For that reason, the appraiser should report the basement or other partially below-grade areas separately and make appropriate adjustments for them on the "basement and finished areas below-grade" line in the "sales comparison analysis" grid. To assure consistency in the sales comparison analysis, the appraiser generally should compare above-grade areas to above-grade areas and below- grade areas to below-grade areas. The appraiser may deviate from this approach if the style of the subject property or of any of the comparables does not lend itself to such comparisons. However, in such instances, he or she must explain the reason for the deviation and clearly describe the comparisons that were made. (emphasis added)
 
Marc,......At some point in time we all might find ourselves appraising that one property which could present itself as being among those highest appraised value(s) in that immediate neighborhood. It happens. I would chuck that notion about ....value can not be higher than the highest "comp" (sold). Perhaps your subject here is on the verge of taking such a prominent position in the local neighborhood, and the addition built there and the imminent purchase will help to establish a value-high. To secure that position this subject truly needs two more neighbors to re-sell in the coming weeks at appreciated prices so that the three of them can keep that local value raft floating through the summer.

About the addition, off the lower level.......and your saying that "the sq.ftg. does not count".........what exactly are you meaning ? You say also "sub-grade" and I assume you mean that this addition is adjoining the home's basement level. I say that too with perspective of walking into the front door of the home and then going down (stairs) from there to this new bedroom. Is that the case ? And, again, what are you meaning about "sq.ftg. does not count" ? Of course it counts. Is there now walk-out access to that rear yard area where there may not have been before ? Please don't say that one walks out from this new bedroom into the yard !

Present your total property with discussion of enhanced (new) living area, an additional bed and bath in a level that might not have had those before, quality of workmanship in that addition, possible walk-out there to privacy setting upon some patio or deck and neighbors not being able to see the owner basking naked on a lounge chair on a sunny summer day. (O.K., don't describe it that way, but make a generalized remark to that effect.) I have often used the "Functional Utility" field to show the TOTAL finished sq.ftg. in the home, and TOTAL beds in the home, and referred the reader to look at selling prices of comps at the top of the column. I make NO $-adjustment in the Functional Utility field when I show those data-#'s there, they are there just for visual impact on the reader's eye and I explain my use of that field for that purpose.

Sometimes total house function (finished living area amount, and bedrooms), buyer demand and the purchase price paid show a nice corelation guiding my final value opinion for the subject, especially when the subject has some element of uniqueness......like your addition on the basement level (?).

I have let it become very routine to NOT make hunches, statements or prognostications with interested parties .......before I have seen the property......and easily displace any such discussion by excusing myself from pre-judging or assuring this interested party of anything......as I have not yet seen the place and brought together all the benefitial data it offers. Follow that statement with.....and, I'm sure you understand what I mean......and 9 of 10 will say "yes, sure".

Just tell the story about the subject. Give the client a true feel for what they are about to invest their money (or somebody else's $$ !) in. Give them added photos, and use those best comps the market offers. The "value" will sell itself, and may or may not match the purchase contract amount. So what ! Buyers, sellers and lenders throw all kinds of money-numbers around like confetti at a birthday party.......and yet sometimes it is the appraiser that might feel un-invited to that gala event. It happens. Tell the story as the local market dictates. If they still like you, you might get another order from that client. No promises though.
 
Expand your subjects neighborhood area.

I could give you a couple of comps here in Vegas...would that help?
:rofl:
 
Originally posted by Brian S Bentley@May 27 2005, 09:04 AM
Expand your subjects neighborhood area.
I don't think it is possible to expand a neighborhood, but you can expand into a larger market area. Keep in the mind you still have to use like/kind properties with similar construction quality, site values, off-site improvements and appeal. This concept tends to get lost to some appraisers who venture outside the neighborhood. If you do venture outside the neighborhood, you should explain why you did.
 
Originally posted by Otis Key@May 27 2005, 07:33 AM

Preconceived valuation????????????????????????????

How can you tell (better yet, why would you) the LO that it's going to come in shy of the sales price without appraising it? You're hire to provide an unbiased opinion of market value. That means, Provide the appraisal which will provide the opinion of value. If you do that, then you'll not need to worry about your original question because the report will present (hopefully) all the details, data and information necessary to support that opinion that you arrived at in an unbiased manner.
And Marc, as I said before, "why would you call the LO?". You were hired to provide your opinion of market value on an appraisal that would be utilized for making a lending decision that would use the subject of the report as collateral.

Provide your report.

FTR, here's what I'm questioning and why I made my response to you:

I told L.O. the appraisal was going to come in shy of sales price, as I was taught that the value couldn't be higher than highest comp.
 
The problem is, the addition, (which is a master bedroom, bath, closet) is off the lower level, also sub grade, so square feet still don't count.

One of the things that kills me is people that assume because it is below grade the value is lower. I am not sure if that is what your saying and this not aimed at you personally. But just because (per Fannie and ANSI) that part of a house is below grade doesn't mean it's lower in value. In my market I see areas where the below grade part is just as nice as the above grade and the square footage adjustments are the same.
Sems many Appraisers try to find ways around the rule and include the below grade area in the above grade. When if you you adjust them properly it doesn't matter where they are located. The value should be same!

End of rant <_<
 
Marc:

The answer is yes. Also:

Pay attention to Otis or he'll turn your *** in :rofl: :rofl: plus he has a good point.

I didn't see one bad comment in an impressive range of responses. However, the duck's comments appear to be the most on point and distilled. Plus, it is easy to follow in a ducks footprints (just walk like a duck).

Regards,

Yoda
 
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