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BDylan

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hi all. received a request for an "appraisal correction" which included the demand that I confirm that extensions to the house in the early 90's and early 2000's were completed with permits. Some other threads touched on this, but my basic question is: isn't this outside the scope of the assignment? the job was a single family house done on a 1004. I don't know of any appraiser in this area who routinely checks building permits for this type of job (I am in an NYC suburb.) If it is outside of scope, how should I state this in the report? Seems to me that the lender should require the borrower to prove this if it is an issue. Thanks.
 
hi all. received a request for an "appraisal correction" which included the demand that I confirm that extensions to the house in the early 90's and early 2000's were completed with permits. Some other threads touched on this, but my basic question is: isn't this outside the scope of the assignment? the job was a single family house done on a 1004. I don't know of any appraiser in this area who routinely checks building permits for this type of job (I am in an NYC suburb.) If it is outside of scope, how should I state this in the report? Seems to me that the lender should require the borrower to prove this if it is an issue. Thanks.

The appraiser should attempt to check on building permits as part of the HBU and especially if the measurements don't match the public record. Just state what you did or did not do in the normal course of business for verifying permits.

Obtaining copies of permits and certificates of occupancy is outside of the SOW. That should be a demand placed on the owner, not the appraiser.
 
"I am in an NYC suburb.)" Which one?

re the FANNIE 1004, does the site "as-improved" represent a legal, legal-nonforming, or illegal use AS of the EDA?

re Highest and Best Use - which definition of HB&U (which must be a legally permissible use as of the EDA) did you use?

B4-1.4-06, Appraisal Report Review: Subject Property
Zoning (04/01/2009)
Introduction​
This topic contains information on Appraisal Report Review: Subject Property Zoning.
• Subject Property Zoning
• Permissible Use of Land
• Highest and Best Use​
Subject Property Zoning​
Lenders must ensure that the specific zoning class has been reported in the appraisal, along with a general statement as to what the zoning permits.
The appraisal must include a statement that the subject property presents a legal, confirming; legal, non-conforming (grandfathered) use; or an illegal use under the zoning regulations; or whether there is no local zoning.​

Permissible Use of Land​
Fannie Mae does not purchase or securitize mortgage loans on properties if the improvements do
not constitute a legally permissible use of the land.
Certain exceptions to this policy are made provided the property is appraised and underwritten in accordance with the special requirements imposed as a condition to agreeing to make the exception:​

Property Type Loan Eligible for Purchase or Securitization by Fannie Mae?​

A property that is subject to certain land use regulations, such as coastal tideland or wetland laws that create setback lines or other provisions that prevent the reconstruction or maintenance of the property improvements if
they are damaged or destroyed.
No.

A property that represents a legal, but nonconforming, use of the land and the appraisal analysis reflects any adverse effect that the non-conforming use has on the value and marketability of the property.

Yes, if the mortgage is secured by a one-to four-unit property or a unit in a PUD project.

A property where the improvements from a project that represents a legal, but nonconforming, use of the land only can be rebuilt to current density in the event of partial or full destruction.
Yes, Fannie Mae will purchase or securitize a condo unit mortgage or co-op share loan, provided the mortgage file includes either a copy of the applicable zoning regulations or a letter from the local zoning authority that
authorizes reconstruction to current density.

A one- or two-unit property that includes an illegal additional unit or accessory apartment (sometimes referred to as a mother-in-law, mother-daughter, or granny unit).
Yes, provided that:
• The illegal use conforms to the subject neighborhood and to the market.
• The property is appraised based upon its current use.
• The borrower qualifies for the mortgage without considering any rental income from the illegal unit.
• The appraisal must report that the improvements represent an illegal use.
• The appraisal report must demonstrate that the improvements are typical for the market through an analysis of at least three comparable properties that have the same illegal use.
• The lender ensures that the existence of the illegal additional unit will not jeopardize any future hazard insurance claim that might need to be filed for the property.

A three- to four-unit property that includes an illegal accessory apartment.
No.

Highest and Best Use​
If the current improvements clearly do not represent the highest and best use of the site as an improved site, the appraiser must so indicate on the appraisal report. Fannie Mae will not purchase or securitize a mortgage that does not represent the highest and best use of the site.​

Printed copies may not be the most current version. For the most current version, go to the online version at​
http://www.efanniemae.com/sf/guides/ssg/.
 
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@Randolf: I am not sure I agree that the appraiser should verify permits, at least where there is no indication that the work was done without a permit. This house is in an upscale area and I saw nothing to suggest that everything wasn't on the up and up. I think that's about as far as my responsibility goes. I did check with the Zoning Department to make sure the property was a legal use.

@Mike: the house is in New Castle. It is a legal use; in fact, it is probably the only legal use, other than a new SFR. HBU use as improved.

I will probably call the zoning department tomorrow and see if they will tell me anything over the phone. I doubt they will.
 
sorry, I meant I will call the Building Department tomorrow.
 
What are you going to do if they tell you they have no permits on file?
 
Generally, I will call the BD if I see something hinky or out-of-the-ordinary, such as a garage conversion or patio cover made into living space. Otherwise, I am not the permit police.

BTW... Dylan is coming to IDAHO (can you believe it?) in September with Mellencamp... already have tickets! :)
 
FWIW - I recently had an FHA appraisal of mine reviewed which was a gut rehab and part of the review stated "HUD requirements not met - building permits are to be provided when an increase in value of xx% in such a period of time due to remodeling"

The whole checking permits issue has been beaten to death and for good reason - it is a gray area and there should be clear guidance somewhere that we can reference - unfortunately it doesn't exist so I would recommend if there is a difference between the tax card and what is there - then CYA as you never know what the potential ramifications may be
 
I'll concur with those who believe that we are not the so called "permit police" and that due diligence has been satisfied by adequately reporting the readily observable discrepancy from the public records.

However - how one chooses to proceed from that point, particularly when utilizing the URAR, can make a difference from both a liability and compliance standpoint.

If you proceeded via CB1 and completed the report "as is" with inclusion of the area that exceeds the public record figure as part of the GLA, then I believe that you have put yourself on the hook to satisfy the client request and confirm that the area in question is actually permitted. And if this is in fact how you proceeded, CANative asks a good question if you find out that these areas are not permitted despite the fact that they looked on the "up and up" at the time you observed them.

If you properly incorporated an HC or EA via CB3 or CB4 with regard to the area in question being permitted then you certainly are not under obligation to be the permit gopher (IMO) unless you choose to do so out of charity or for a fee.
 
@Randolf: I am not sure I agree that the appraiser should verify permits, at least where there is no indication that the work was done without a permit. This house is in an upscale area and I saw nothing to suggest that everything wasn't on the up and up. I think that's about as far as my responsibility goes. I did check with the Zoning Department to make sure the property was a legal use.

@Mike: the house is in New Castle. It is a legal use; in fact, it is probably the only legal use, other than a new SFR. HBU use as improved.

I will probably call the zoning department tomorrow and see if they will tell me anything over the phone. I doubt they will.


Town of Hempstead won't tell you squat on the phone. If you are crazy enough to go there for free? Pack a lunch and bring your checkbook. They charge for breathing the Town Hall air.

And you are correct in saying if it is completely legal, it is unique. Sounds like an underwriter issue. Not an appraisal issue.

KP
 
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