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Comparing Double Wides To Single Wides For FHA Appraisal

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You need to get out and about my friend. What may apply in Wisconsin is not necessarily the reality elsewhere. At a small mobile home park here in Carpinteria, in a park, there are single wides, selling for $400k+. On a one year lease, no site fee simple ownership.

That is the "blue sky" value or IPLV (In Park (or place) Location Value. $25k for the dwelling $375k for living in a tony area near the beach. Same in northern San Diego areas.

This is also why MH's on fee land can and will sell at a price higher than depreciated RCN + Site Value.

The blue sky value is predicated on the principle that the home is not going to be moved on sale.

This is why a lot of inexperienced appraisers get tangled up in their shoelaces - they think they can't or shouldn't appraise an MH on fee land if there is no "permanent" foundation or surrendered titled.
 
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You need to get out and about my friend. What may apply in Wisconsin is not necessarily the reality elsewhere. At a small mobile home park here in Carpinteria, in a park, there are single wides, selling for $400k+. On a one year lease, no site fee simple ownership.

Yes, but California is weird. Sorry.
 
That is the "blue sky" value or IPLV (In Park (or place) Location Value. $25k for the dwelling $375k for living in a tony area near the beach. Same in northern San Diego areas.

This is also why MH's on fee land can and will sell at a price higher than depreciated RCN + Site Value.

The blue sky value is predicated on the principle that the home is not going to be moved on sale.

This is why a lot of inexperienced appraisers get tangled up in their shoelaces - they think they can't or shouldn't appraise an MH on fee land if there is no "permanent" foundation or surrendered titled.

The issue then is what is the value of the Mobile Home per the lender requirements. If it is relegated to personal property then most lenders won't lend on it for the simple reason it is very possible to move it. I've had the same issue with 2 section homes. And I don't know of too many lenders that will lend on property that the borrower doesn't own in a mobile home park. But if a lender wants to make a personal property loan then that's fine. But I don't think FHA is going down that path.
 
You need to get out and about my friend. What may apply in Wisconsin is not necessarily the reality elsewhere. At a small mobile home park here in Carpinteria, in a park, there are single wides, selling for $400k+. On a one year lease, no site fee simple ownership.

And by the way California is more the exception than the rule on those types of values.
 
my market single-wides in park sell for $12,000 to $28,000 depending on age and condition; same for comparable units on city lots. those outside of town on a couple acres sell for a little more than the extra site value.

then we have a few sales of remodeled units with superior grade finishes, ponds, garages, outbuildings, hunting ground, river views, ... etc.

our highest sale in the last few years i believe is $145,000. 1990's something single-wide renovated, 5.50ac, detached garage, wood frame shed on gravel, and a small pond.
 
The issue then is what is the value of the Mobile Home per the lender requirements. If it is relegated to personal property then most lenders won't lend on it for the simple reason it is very possible to move it. I've had the same issue with 2 section homes. And I don't know of too many lenders that will lend on property that the borrower doesn't own in a mobile home park. But if a lender wants to make a personal property loan then that's fine. But I don't think FHA is going down that path.

"The Home" is worth what it is worth, regardless of what "the lender" thinks. That's why we working with various types of values and various types of property right. A manufactured home set up on fee land with connections to power, water and sewer is not designed to be moved from that site. Foundations and paperwork do not physically prevent removal. The paperwork "legally" prevents removal without notification to parties with an interest (such as a lender.) Conversion to "real property" is tantamount to converting sticks and bricks to real property.

The same is true when the dwelling (the coach) is located in a rental park. It's physically difficult to move the coach away and it would damage it if you tried. Not to mention that mobile home parks have contracts or agreements written into their CC&Rs or rules that, as long as rents are paid and rules followed, a unit cannot be forced to move. This gives the location site a "permanency" where the value can be measured. The MH and it's site go together. That's why a coach that sells for $50k in WI can sell in Laguna Beach for $450k. It's the location and the fact that the rights to the site can pass between owners of the house as long as the rent is paid and rules are followed.

If one needs to value just the house portion or just the house on a fee property, for that matter, a different type of value is needed and different procedures are used.
 
What if the owner is a double wide does that matter?
 
"The Home" is worth what it is worth, regardless of what "the lender" thinks. That's why we working with various types of values and various types of property right. A manufactured home set up on fee land with connections to power, water and sewer is not designed to be moved from that site. Foundations and paperwork do not physically prevent removal. The paperwork "legally" prevents removal without notification to parties with an interest (such as a lender.) Conversion to "real property" is tantamount to converting sticks and bricks to real property.

The same is true when the dwelling (the coach) is located in a rental park. It's physically difficult to move the coach away and it would damage it if you tried. Not to mention that mobile home parks have contracts or agreements written into their CC&Rs or rules that, as long as rents are paid and rules followed, a unit cannot be forced to move. This gives the location site a "permanency" where the value can be measured. The MH and it's site go together. That's why a coach that sells for $50k in WI can sell in Laguna Beach for $450k. It's the location and the fact that the rights to the site can pass between owners of the house as long as the rent is paid and rules are followed.

If one needs to value just the house portion or just the house on a fee property, for that matter, a different type of value is needed and different procedures are used.

You miss my point and don't know much about moving mobile homes. The point is that a manufactured home that is not on a permanent foundation is not considered as real estate by lenders BECAUSE it is too easily moved off the site. When I was in High School my parents bought such a home as transition housing until they bought a house. We lived in a mobile home park for about 3 months. One day I went to work, and when I came home the mobile home was gone and already placed on the new site, and that night I was sleeping, showering, and living in it! It took all of 8 hours. The point is that it doesn't take long for someone to do just this. That's why they ask on the 1004C if the tongue, wheels, etc have been removed, because they KNOW it doesn't take long to do. And once it is gone, how are you going to get it back! Yes all homes can be moved. But the ease at which a single wide can be moved is no where near the problem a regular 28' wide double wide can be moved AND CERTAINLY NOT WHAT A SITE BUILT HOUSE OR MODULAR HOUSE TAKES TO MOVE. I KNOW because I have actually moved a modular home that had been set up to another site. It took 90 ton cranes, 3 days of work, and large semi trailers!! And that was just to move it. That didn't include the time it took to reset things up!!

This is why single wides in mobile home parks are taxed as personal property and NOT real estate. https://www.mhomebuyers.com/do-mobile-home-owners-pay-property-tax/

I'm not saying the mobile home doesn't have value. But it only has value like a used car has value or my Airstream camper has value. It is personal property value NOT real estate value.

And the start of the OP's discussion is with regard to a real estate appraisal for FHA financing. So let's begin there, and not where your rabbit trail is headed.

POINT: UNLESS THAT MOBILE HOME IS ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION ON LAND IT OWNS IT WILL NEVER BE FINANCED BY FHA OR AS REAL ESTATE.
 
Wow. Sometimes I wonder if the people who post on AF are really appraisers.
 
You must have forgotten about the HUD Title I program and the NAS method for doing such appraisals. The reporting form even had a section for "Blue Sky Value" or "ILPV" which is in park location value. The market value of a home in a park, foundation or no foundation, two section, one section of three section, includes this value.

https://www.HUD.gov/program_offices/housing/sfh/title/repair
 
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