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Comparing Modular Homes To Stick Built

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State Code Modulars are built to the same minimum state mandated building codes as stick built houses except they are put together in a controlled environment. I find that comforting especially when you have seen guys drive nails in 20 degree weather.

Like someone said; quality to quality.

State code modulars compete head to head with similar quality stick built houses in my market. They are interchangeable and I make no distinction between the two........as long as the quality is the same.
 
I guess my question would be, if only similar modular construction comps are used vs. stick-built comps, do you see a discrepency in values? Do you make an effort to find modulars, or just go straight to stick built if they are closer, or more recent sales?

Do you disclose that the home is factory built, and if so, what kind of statement do you make in your report?
 
other kit build homes though
A "kit" home, to me, is not the same as a modular constructed home. The kit has precut lumber with wall sections, trusses, floor sections preassembled and then a specialized crew throws it up, decks it, shingles it, sets windows, doors, wiring, sheetrock and then the owner is supposed to finish it out. The result is usually a very amateur home which eventually costs what a good home would cost.

The modular I saw came in floor and wall Sections 8' x 12-16', window frames in place, siding in place (A/C panels with grey primer) and panels in place inside, and the roof came in sections about 8' wide already decked, and were set on top of walls with a crane. It went together like a tinker toy, and was secured by the crew. Carpenters took over and roofed it, The wiring had some special way to go in, but I really did not understand how. Ditto for plumbing.
 
Dee Dee,

In my market modulars barely exist yet - so there are no comps.

So, what to do? Do you go and get stick built? Yes, you go and get them. As long as you feel comfortable and are knowledgable about the differences in quality and workmanship.

I have no problem using stick builts as comps - as long as they are failry similar.

I just had a modular bid out by a General Contractor - the differences was about $12 psf in price per square foot.

He could build the modular (low-end, plain-jane, doublewide lookalike) for about $53.00 psf and could build a plain jane stick built for about $65.00 psf.

Window sizes were smaller, overhangs are smaller, tub surrounds wer fiberglass,
foundation was cheaper.

Take the stick builts and adjust downward if they do not match on quality.

Thats all you can do.

I do not compare it with metal frame on-chasis foundations of manufactured - although there is no reason you could'nt use it to bracket your quality.

Use both manufactured and stick builts.

Truely the nuiances in quality are so intricate that it becomes quite a burden on the appraiser to figure out the differences in cost.

Its tuff stuff.
 
Define "stick built"

Modulars are "stick built" but not "site built" per se

Manufactured are "stick built" but not "site built" per se

What an appraiser is supposed to do is measure the markets reaction to the various types of construction and use what is appropriate to solve the problem as defined by the appraisal.

I predict that in the future that more and more construction will be "factory built" :fencing:
 
Dee Dee

if only similar modular construction comps are used vs. stick-built comps, do you see a discrepancy in values? Do you make an effort to find modulars, or just go straight to stick built if they are closer, or more recent sales?

No, No and Yes.

I can measure no market difference in stick built and modular construction, based on the same quality, and so do not search them out. Especially in the low density rural marketplace where just finding a comp is a challenge.

If both are built to the same state building code and if they have the same 70lb/sf snow load with similar vinyl siding, grade of carpet, cabinetry etc., and the marketplace does not show a preference one way or the other, no distinction is made.

It has only been in the last year and a half that we have had a differentiation on the MLS for Mfg and Modular in addition to site constructed houses. It is becoming easier to find them now that we are teaching the agents the difference between manufactured and modular.
 
I attended a continuing ed seminar put on by a modular housing industry rep.

He brought along a promo video.

After viewing, my thought was, anyone who has a site built home, with all the associated exposure of labor and materials to the elements is not fully informed.

However, it all depends on the company and quality of production. Seen it both ways, from the screw-ups to the completely satisfied. When it's bad, it's really bad-when good you can't tell the difference.

Most it depends on how good the set-up crew is.........
 
George

You make a very good point. How many of us who do a significant numbers of new constructions and draw inspections have arrived at a site in the middle of a rainstorm or just after, only to find the house shell, sans roof, all wet and soaked? Plus all of the material stacked on the ground getting wet. I know I have. In addition, there have been times I've seen the builders have to shovel snow out of the house before they can work.

Construction in a controlled environment has definite advantages.
 
Anymore, how much "site built" is in a "stick built" home, 100% constructed on the site? There are so many pre-assembled factory built items in most "site built" homes, they are almost a modular! Besides what is site built is cut three times and still too short, cut out of green lumber that was rained on for three days and then ran over by a truck. Every home has to be examined very carefully and judged on the merits of craftsmanship, quality of materials, etc. I like that statement of comparing quality to quality. Building codes do not indicate quality, but the minimum requirements of distance between studs, location of boards, type of wiring, etc, etc, etc. A tar paper shack and a million dollar home are constructed to the same building code when located in the same jurisdiction.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Because modular homes (factory built in sections, delivered and assembled on site) are rare birds in the county that I usually work, time and time again I see that the market response is less than that of site built.

I know that there are higher quality modulars that I've seen as displays at the sales offices down in Denver, but still....at least in this market area....the buyers seem to be able to sniff them out and will not pay as much for them.

I will readily admit that my experience is limited in appraising factory built homes, simply because there aren't very many of them around here, but every time I do get an appraisal order for one I notice that appraisers who came before me would pick site-built homes as comps to hit the 'needed value' on refinances, not disclosing that the home is factory built, even when there may be comps of similar construction (factory-built modular) that they could have used. Had they chosen those comps, their values would have been significantly lower.

Based on what some of you have posted, there are markets that don't discern a difference.

On one occasion I had a loan officer and a modular home dealer trying to bully me into using only site-built comps in the area for a proposed new construction modular. It was huge......two stories, 3500 sf on a full walk-out basement. The LO's estimate of value was around $550,000 to secure the loan which included rolling the existing land loan into the deal, and come h*ll or high water they were determined to make that deal fly. The nearest modular comps that were around that size were nearly 20 miles away, closer to the Denver metro area, and had recently closed in the $300,000 to $350,000 range on fairly similar sites. The modular home dealer had fits when the LO told her that I was charging an additional fee for having to go out of the area for modular comps. The LO gave her my phone number and the debate began. She insisted that this home was going to be of equal quality to site-built homes of similar size in that neighborhood, even though the list of upgrades was lame at best (vinyl floors, standard oak cabinetry, vinyl windows, lots of 'we haven't decided yet' items) compared to the upgrades in the site-built homes, and that I did NOT have to disclose that the home was factory built. She went ballistic when she found out that I wanted to use at least two other modular homes as comps (same builder, by the way <_< ).....and within a couple of hours after our conversation ended the LO called me and cancelled the order, arrogantly stating that the dealer had found a 'good' appraiser that would use site-built comps. Good riddance, I said.
As a side note, it's been nearly two years now since that little episode and the land is still vacant. Not sure what happened.

The point of my ramble is that, based on the experiences in my own market area, it makes my hair go up a bit when I see modular home dealers pushing this notion that appraisers and lenders should value this type of construction as if it were identical to site-built homes, even though in some areas the market (buyers) indicates otherwise. I would advise all appraisers to analyze their own market areas and see if this is true before they make a decision on their comp selections.

I was taught that if the home is an off-site, factory built modular it should be disclosed in the appraisal report. Once that is disclosed to the lender, they will almost invariably expect the comps to be similar construction.
So what do most of you do? Do you disclose if you know?
 
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