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What if I include cost approach with disclaimer:

COST APPROACH BASED ON FACTORS DERIVED THROUGH UTILIZATION OF MARKET EXTRACTED SALES DATA AND REGRESSION ANALYSIS TECHNIQUES. THE REPORTED COST APPROACH IS AN ESTIMATE, AND THEREFORE SHOULD NOT BE USED INSURANCE PURPOSES."

Here is my disclaimer that I use in my reports, fee free to use it or modify it for your report:

[FONT=Arial Narrow, sans-serif]The cost approach as used in this appraisal report represents the “replacement cost estimate,” and is for “valuation purposes only. ” As such, it should not be relied upon for insurance purposes. The definition of “Total Estimate of Cost - New" as used in this report is not consistent with the definition of “insurable value”. [/FONT]


The fact is that most insurers and borrowers use the cost approach to determine insurable value despite the deisclaimer. Just make sure that the client who ordered the appraisal is aware that, though you will do a cost approach, it is not designed to determine insurable value before you do the appraisal so that there is no argument as to what he expects from you.
 
Just got an order to provide cost approach on a condo for insurance.

It's a two unit project structured as a condo. The two owners need a structure value for insurance but how do you apply cost approach on a condo form?

Mr. Dillon,

Just the fact that you are here asking this tells me your duty is to follow USPAP and tell your client you are not qualified for the assignment. Maybe your client does not mind if you become qualified, but your duty is to inform your client how you intend to do so.

Webbed.

P.S.. Gentleman. We CANNOT use disclaimers like you are proposing when the client is specifically asking for a SOW for INSURABLE VALUE... Are you out of your minds? I sure hope you want to kiss your E&O goodbye if you get sued later.
 
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Mr. Dillon,

Just the fact that you are here asking this tells me your duty is to follow USPAP and tell your client you are not qualified for the assignment. Maybe your client does not mind if you become qualified, but your duty is to inform your client how you intend to do so.

Webbed.

P.S.. Gentleman. We CANNOT use disclaimers like you are proposing when the client is specifically asking for a SOW for INSURABLE VALUE... Are you out of your minds? I sure hope you want to kiss your E&O goodbye if you get sued later.

That gave me an idea. Tell the lender to have their insurance agent request the cost approach, complete the assignment and charge them your normal fee for your time and effort.


Here is the verbage that LIA asked that my Mentor add to all reports:

At the request of the lender, development of the cost approach has been attempted by the appraiser as an analysis to support their opinion of the subject's market value. The cost approach was given minimal weight, if any in the final estimate of value. Use of this data, in whole or part, for other purposes is not intended by the appraiser. Nothing set forth in the appraisal should be relied upon for the purpose of determining the amount or type of insurance coverage to be placed on the subject property. The appraiser assumes no liability for and does not guarantee that any insurable value estimate inferred from this report will result in the subject property being fully insured for any loss that may be sustained. Further, the cost approach may not be a reliable indication of replacement or reproduction cost for any date other than the effective date of this appraisal due to changing costs of labor and materials and due to changing building codes, governmental regulations and requirements.

I would go with Webbed on not using a disclaimer in your case. But we add the above to all our reports knowing that the lender will pass it on. :)
 
To All,

The big disconnect here is just because some third party is telling a borrower that they are willing to use an appraiser's reporting of a cost approach applied for indicating "Market Value," for the third parties use of insurance premium estimating, does NOT make it ok for a borrower (or other client) to then ASK an appraiser to perform a cost approach for insurance. Not when the client fails to understand that a cost approach for market value, and a cost approach for insurable value are two different things.

The borrower, or whoever is wanting this, needs to be educated that when the purpose changes like that, the assignment changes, the development changes, the FEE changes, and quite a bit of the resources the appraiser uses has to be changed as well. An "Insurable Value" cost approach is not part of a real estate appraisal being done for other purposes.

The O.P. is confusing the appraising of condominium air space for market value, with costing what is nothing more than a two unit building. The issue here is not the form of ownership other than the original assignment I bet was for the purpose of the O.P.'s opinion of market value. Not insurable value.

Webbed.
 
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Mr. Dillon,

Just the fact that you are here asking this tells me your duty is to follow USPAP and tell your client you are not qualified for the assignment. Maybe your client does not mind if you become qualified, but your duty is to inform your client how you intend to do so.

Webbed.

P.S.. Gentleman. We CANNOT use disclaimers like you are proposing when the client is specifically asking for a SOW for INSURABLE VALUE... Are you out of your minds? I sure hope you want to kiss your E&O goodbye if you get sued later.



Given that the Florida market has declined, the owner is asking for an opinion of market value and a completed cost approach section. The reason why I was here "asking" was that in the course of doing my "Duty" I found out it was a 2 unit condo after he told me it was an attached townhome.
 
Lee,

I agree with Webbed, this simply does not fit.

If your subject is a single condo unit, there is no valid cost approach. The cost approach to market value is simply another approach to the value of your subject.

You are proposing to attempt a cost approach on a two-unit building that is not your subject. Whatever you do, it is not a cost approach but something else.

In this case, if you were to decide to accept an assignment to find the insurance value of the two-unit building, you should keep it separate from the market value appraisal of the subject unit. It should not be reported in the cost approach section of your market value appraisal.
 
If your subject is a single condo unit, there is no valid cost approach. The cost approach to market value is simply another approach to the value of your subject.

There actually is a methodology for doing so, but it is not simple. It deals with determining the costs associated with the individual unit and a portion of the common area improvements.

However, it's simply a mathematical exercise. Fact is, it doesn't reflect anything in the mind of your compus mentus market participant.
 
Good point, David.


Actually, it is an excellent point.


The insurance hack(s) do not want to do there job. So you can do it for him.

Like someone said earlier tell the owners and HOA Board that you will do this for the Insurance Agents. Then have the insurance agents each request a cost appraoch with fee quote. Bill the jack-A_S's about 300 hundred bucks each. 3 x $300 = $900

This causes the risk and liability to be between you and the Insurance companies. The other way where you do this for the owners places you in a position of liability to both owners HO and posssibly three Insurance companies. I say that because you have two seperate HO's and one Insurance company, but it could be between you and two HO's and three insurance companies

Unit -1 HO
Unit -2 HO
Insurance Company for HO 1
Insurance Company for HO 2
Master Policy Insurance Company for 2 unit complex.

Do you now understand how complex this assignment is or could be?

good grief!
 
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Given that the Florida market has declined, the owner is asking for an opinion of market value and a completed cost approach section. The reason why I was here "asking" was that in the course of doing my "Duty" I found out it was a 2 unit condo after he told me it was an attached townhome.

Mr. Dillon,

Good job on catching the condo thing then! For the market value side of this I am sure you are well qualified. Actually, the insurance side of "value" is not all that hard, but it needs to be two separate assignments just as Ms. Langely stated. Or at least should be in your mind as you approach it. If this is for one of the owners it could all be in one report. But it needs to be clear the cost approach is not for market value. Truth be known, and maybe you should ask, but it is likely some past appraiser completely missed the condo form of ownership appraising it as a townhome and did a cost approach when one should not have been completed.

There are things you have not disclosed yet. Such as is the lot all one big lot or is it two separate lots with each unit placed on a lot that goes with the unit. Not that this matters for insurance purposes, but it would in appraisal theory regarding disqualifying the cost approach for reflecting market value.

You have an odd bird there. A condominium form of ownership was most likely selected to get around some zoning and planning stuff. But once past those items a two unit condo project is really stupid. I would never purchase a unit myself in most cases. How do you approach a voting deadlock when the HOA only has two voting members? Great, now you and your neighbor hate each others guts and every issue is deadlocked. I can think of a host of potential problems with such a set up that hardly anyone considers when the project is new or recently new. But wait a decade or two and watch them start popping up!

Look, again, no amount of disclaimers in the final report is going to bail you out if the actual property owner is your client, the SOW was for insurable value, you failed to provide it, and later you get sued. The only way to have any shield at all would be a detailed engagement contract with the property owner, your client, agreeing to assume 100% of all liability for the misuse of inappropriate replacement cost data if you only have "market value" cost data sources. Versus "insurable value" cost data sources. They are not the same data sources. You would have to have this contract, in writing and signed, with the owner BEFORE you did any work at all and created a report. Even at that, I certainly cannot advise you as to your legal position if you find yourself getting sued later on anyway in spite of the contract.

Providing "Insurable Value" replacements costs is a niche market that, just like everything else we do, we are supposed to be prepared for and qualified when we do it. You are being viewed as an expert by this client, and if you have to come to this forum with questions, like the ones you posted regarding it, then you are not an expert.

Webbed.
 
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