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Condo VS Townhomes

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Denis DeSaix I see the logic in your last post, and would agree in that situation. However, in this case, the town homes are not competitive with my condo's development. That is my dilemma. My condo can not get FHA financing due to issues and upkeep. The development has a host of problems. And the market in that city between the two categories show a price difference. In this case, I can not see the logic in presenting and changing my comps to townhome properties. There are adequate numbers in data available in general, just no 3 bedroom units. A bedroom is easier to adjust for than a some other factors, while remaining with in the 15 and 25% net and gross adjustment variances.

I hear you and your answer to my question is YES, and only in some cases. And for that I thank you.
 
Thank you JSmith for input. And yes, my condo is not eligible for FHA financing and it is not competitive with many condo project's, and not the town homes in my opinion. The data was clear and easy to see, after sorted.
 
Is there a list of better AMC's to work for on this site? I'm new here. Thanks for the kind words.
 
... Land is tangible and air space is not. Am I being anal here in thinking I am miss leading when this fact exists? I admit that I can be on many subject's and willing to fess up....

I would say you need to look up and see if the concept of UTILITY applies to the buyers of both types of properties.
When faced with an appraisal problem, many appraisers pull out their books and spend hours trying to interpret vague standards. I prefer to spend the afternoon visiting local open houses, talking to agents, buyers, and sellers. I'm always more interested in the actual appraisal problem, figuring out how the market reacts to a property, than I am in deciding how my analysis can be crammed into the URAR.

So before you start worrying about definitions and standards and the approval of your peers, what do buyers think about condos versus detached homes? Is there some demographic that won't ever buy a condo, or is it that people generally prefer a detached home but would consider a condominium if it were newer, or nicer, or in a better location? If you're too shy to talk to human beings, you should be able to get the same information from the numbers. Everything else being equal, there will probably be a price point where everything more expensive is a detached home.
 
Is there a list of better AMC's to work for on this site? I'm new here. Thanks for the kind words.

Mr. Courtney will be along shortly to answer that question.

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Gonzo, you've answered the question very well, that in some cases a townhome sale would be considered by a condo buyer, AND be competitvie to subject, in this case, the poor condition of subject property, lack of basic amenities such as guest parking, and lack of eligable FHA financing , and design/appeal make SUPERIOR townhome sales not competitive. Just because a sale exists in the market does not make it a comp. And yes, I have used townhome comps in condo reports and vice versa, but there has to be a reasonable equivalency among property types, and price points. If every townhome is 50 k higher than subject , and there are townhouse listings avail , and subject is in contract, one has to assume that the buyer chose a condo because townhomes were out of price range (and that typical buyers would do the same).
Adjusting a superior townhome form a diff price point down to match an inferior subject is ludicrous and can be easily be seen in review if anything happens with apprasisal later.

If townhomes are only 20 k higher, and a range of similar condos sell for more than subject, then the townhomes need a smaller adjustment and perhaps ame buyer profitle/typically motivated buyer might look at both.

Yes, there are lists of AMC's, a few are free, I think the TAVMA website has one, most of the more extensive lists are a $ charge (there's one forum member who prepars a list if I get the name later will PM you), the paid lists are worth it esp when starting out. .There is a lot of work out there now so a good time to apply. Apply to a number, because that is the only way to pick and chose...which pay better fees, (higher ), which don't pressure for value or have ridiculous turn times etc.

When you have a number of clients, you can drop the bad ones and certainly this client sounds bad. They are pressuring you for value like I have not heard of since the mtge broker days. You should not be talking to the realtor at this point, if they bother you again, tell them you already have their input, they are not your client and you won't be speaking with them again on the assignment.

Ask whoever it is pressuring iou on the AMC /client side to please put their reqeust in writing from now on regarding changing the report. (if it has all been on the phone). (so you have a record if you need it later). Be professional , but tell them you have all the input you need and now have to be finish the appraisal.

If you don't use townhome comps, explain why in the report, that you considered them, but because of poor condition of subject etc, they were not competitive as sales (or use an ugly, run down townhome comp if one is avail)

Hand the appraisal in and there's a chance if it's below SC price this client may drop you, they will be doing you a favor if that happens, as you need to get other clients ASAP, even if they don't drop you. If down the road you can manage to get the cert gen license you'd have more options, going for SRA gives you more options as well. But even now, you can get diff/better clients.

Good luck and get it out and over with.
 
So there have been no sales in the subject's project that could be used to compare to sales of townhomes and condos at that time? Such information, while perhaps dated and not appropriate for use in the SCA, is appropriate for use as market analysis.

I assume that a number of units in the subject's project are leased? And how do the rents for those units compared to rents for townhomes and condos?

I would need to see market evidence to support any assertion that the subject unit should be compared to property having apartment condo design rather than townhome design.

I don't know if anyone pointed it out, but the assertion that a condo only has interest in air is incorrect. The unit owner also has undivided interest in any common element, which includes land. Now if the condo is legally structured as a condo-hotel, that is a different story. But then, if it was a condo-hotel, it is questionable if valuation of the property would be within the bounds of that permitted by a residential license.
 
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Agents often list condos as TH and vice versa. On my MLS, there is a "governing body" section, where even the dumbest agent has to type in "condo" (though some leave it blank). At least it's a start and a field to fill in for searches.

Do a search by sf footage and bedroom count, typing in both condo and TH, in area, see what comes up. Your subject sounds in fair condition within a marginal condo complex, so look for marginal type TH sales. If I were you, and I have given a wide range of advice , (because I don't know the area), if possible, put in one or two TH sales if they are similar SF /3 bedroom and within a similar price range, make adjustments, put in condo sales, adjust, and turn it in, whether or not it makes SC price can't be known till you finish the appraisal.

Condos often have different amenities, different or stricter rental regulations, a no pet policy ( a buyer divide in many areas) diff financials than a TH, higher maint fees, and in some cases, can not be financed or financed through FHA. These are some reasons not to use them or reasons to adjust. Some markets, similar TH and condos sell roughly the same, others, there is a marked differnce. The wider the difference in price, the weaker they are as comps, because esp when listings are present, obviously, the buyer could opt for a TH if price is similar.

I usually use TH in a condo report and vice versa when limited sales of sub type are present, subject unit has more in common with TH then a condo style/utility , but price points have to be in ballpark and maint fees not terribly dis similar. I always include condo sales, 3 of them if possible.
 
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So before you start worrying about definitions and standards and the approval of your peers, what do buyers think about condos versus detached homes?
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So simple, even a caveman could do it.

Yes, when in doubt :), turn to the market for the answer. Some of us will over-think a situation until we're paralyzed.

My first encounter with this topic was many years ago when the subject of my appraisal was a townhome dwelling with condo-ownership. The result of my research and analysis was that, in this instance and given good physical similarities, the only appropriate adjustment attributable to the difference in ownership was "0".

One suggestion: "Appraising the Tough Ones" by Frank E. Harrison, MAI, SRA; Appraisal Institute.
 
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I assume that a number of units in the subject's project are leased? And how do the rents for those units compared to rents for townhomes and condos?

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Yes.

Again, turn to the market for the answers.
 
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