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Correct entries for Cost Approach section

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VolcanoLvr

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Please post what you believe are the correct entries for the property items for these two lines in the Cost Approach:
Line 1 >> Depreciated Cost of Improvements
Line 2 >> "As-is" Value of Site Improvements
 
Depreciated cost of improvements would be more correctly stated as Replacement Cost New less Depreciation (RCNLD). I don't do "as is" value of site improvements as it would be rare to find a circumstance where you could accurately measure their contributory value.
 
For 'correct entries' I mean the actual property components that apply to each line.
 
For 'correct entries' I mean the actual property components that apply to each line.
The dwelling and garage (assuming attached and/or a contemporary detached and matching garage) are the "improvements"
The site improvements are utilities, landscaping, septic (if applicable) driveway, and sheds, barns, etc. if you don't itemize and develop a cost separately.

I do extract site improvements out of sales. I have a little spreadsheet routine built into Word Perfect (Word kiddies, don't try this at home...it won't work- go to Excel)
First a reliable estimate of site improvement means I develop a defensible value for the land. I develop a SF cost for the dwelling and know its actual age. I stick with newer (not remodeled) homes. In average condition, those homes Effective age = actual age or it has some externality or functional issue.
Using my routine, I fill out the information and the left over should be "site" improvements. "as is" - If you use only new homes, then the "site improvements" are full price in theory and depreciation should be roughly equal that of the dwelling in the future. (So a $20,000 "site improvements" in a new home would be $10,000 in a house 50% depreciated.)

If the site improvements are significant, then I don't do them "as is". I do a cost on them and add a separate line- I believe there is one extra line on the 1004 (I don't use forms) and I include the cost print out as "support" - and add a justifiable EP - depending but generally running about 15% here.
 
Terrel.....as always, thanks for your input. I'm finding that this issue is not taught very well. The AI course on doing the CA doesn't cover 'form use', so I'm not sure if they even segregate those items well enough in the class so that appraisers would know what to do with the researched data when the GSE (or other) forms are used.
 
Correct according to who? or should that be whom?
 
I think the confusion/lack of consistency on the topic is due mainly to appraisers grouping things into site improvements that really don't meet the definition of that term - and they often do that for expediency in calculation (or their mentor did and they were taught to do it that way).

Example: A recently built home with amenities including a swimming pool that had a cost of $60,000, but only has a contributory value of $30,000. It is just easier to lump the contributory value of the pool in as a site improvement rather than going through and showing the cost and the various forms of depreciation (which forms software will not do automatically - so one has to do manually).

The question is - does that matter? If Report A shows the pool cost at $60,000 with $6,000 in physical depreciation and $24,000 in functional depreciation and Report B reflects the pool by simply adding $30,000 to the as is value of the site improvements, does that matter?
 
I think the confusion/lack of consistency on the topic is due mainly to appraisers grouping things into site improvements that really don't meet the definition of that term - and they often do that for expediency in calculation (or their mentor did and they were taught to do it that way).

Example: A recently built home with amenities including a swimming pool that had a cost of $60,000, but only has a contributory value of $30,000. It is just easier to lump the contributory value of the pool in as a site improvement rather than going through and showing the cost and the various forms of depreciation (which forms software will not do automatically - so one has to do manually).

The question is - does that matter? If Report A shows the pool cost at $60,000 with $6,000 in physical depreciation and $24,000 in functional depreciation and Report B reflects the pool by simply adding $30,000 to the as is value of the site improvements, does that matter?
I would agree with this, although my personal preference would be to have the pool called out and addressed clearly as it would be more subject to debate. My comment above about not dealing with site improvements was more directed at things like sidewalks, wells, and septic systems. While they clearly have a cost to construct, and could be included, in my view there is no reliable means by which to establish their impact on market value, regardless of their cost. For example, in my area, there are a lot of wells. Some are 30 feet deep. Some are 550 feet deep. There is a vastly different cost to either, and a different level of maintenance costs. But I have never been able to establish a difference in value for different depth wells. For that matter, I have never been able to determine a difference in value between properties with wells and those with cisterns, although there are tangible differences in their reliability and frustrations! Nor have I been able to establish a reliable difference in vacant sites with some of these improvements in place compared to vacant sites without. Of course, it may be that I am in one of the few markets where there is not endless, reliably consistent data in all things!
 
grouping things into site improvements that really don't meet the definition of that term
But which definition? I only have an older copy in the house and am not going to the office for anything else but The Appraisal of Real Estate 10th ed, is rather vague about it saying in effect, that curbs, gutters, landscaping, grading, fencing, roads etc are "typically considered part of the site value."

To many, any significant improvement such as a barn, shop, etc. can be and perhaps always should be valued using a cost book or local cost in the CA. Most such "improvements"* are valuable enough to warrant a separate consideration. But say on a farm property there may be a house, a modern shop, a machine shed, a hay barn and perhaps an old gambrel roofed barn from 80 years ago. Each can be separately valued via straight line depreciation, or book depreciation, and then the separate issue is functional obsolescence. That "value in use" problem of some items being used for storage or animal husbandry but which the market apparently doesn't reward.

So do we say there is an overall functional obsolescence of over-improvement for too many buildings? Or do we rank the buildings according to their usefulness or age. That is, do we treat the obsolete 80 year old barn as fully depreciated but perhaps the shop as not having anything beyond physical depreciation? Or since it is still used for storing hay and feed, as having some value? Do we apply that functional obsolescence to the overall basket of improvements, or selectively to the older and less useful buildings? It's a choice. And a highly individual choice at that. And to that with multiple buildings of various ages, you get into the "light bulb" problem. Light bulbs will last so long but just because each is marked a 5 year bulb does not mean every bulb in the building will fail in year 5. Some may last 10 or 30 years while others fail within 2 years. So you basically are saying "on average" that 50% of the improvements are above and 50% below the average life of the aggregate of buildings,,,or lightbulbs... in other words, all the buildings regardless age, suffer 50% obsolescence and are at the half-life of their economic lives. That was the observation made in a Farm textbook I had at one point.

It will be nigh impossible to use paired sales to extract a single building from the mix for the lack of places where that is the only improvement. And farms are problematic as the value may vary with the size of the property. A ranch with one older house and a barn on 1,000 acres probably isn't going to bring more than 1,000 acres of bare land. And if a farm gets the land sold off leaving only 5 acres and the improvements, those improvements suddenly become vast over-improvements for the site size.

Since I do only narratives, my forms allow for additional lines and I can readily add extra lines for valuing items separately. But I prefer doing a cost printout for all the buildings of significant value. I would do that on a form, sum the various values and add in the "site improvement" line if I have the second line already filled with something else like a detached garage or pool/pool room.

But there are things I can't do and cannot extract from the market and to do so would be pure speculation upon my part. Water wells. Here you might luck out and get good water at 200' or less, or you may have to go 500'. And no small number of wells (we call them "Roubidoux" wells) are from 1,800 - 2,800' deep. Poultry farmers typically drill those for high flows. But can you extract a universal "value" for a 200' well making 3 gal/minute vs a 200' well with a 5,000 gallon storage and a low flow system dosing from a 1 gal/min well? Vs a 500' - 8 gal/min well with sulphur having to use a chlorination system to take the taste out? Those are wildly different "costs" but similar "utility". I cannot tell a 1,000' gallon septic system with 300' of lateral is "more valuable" than a mound system with dosing pump because it is less maintenance or if the more expensive mound system is more valuable. The market seems to only concern itself with the utility of the item.

* The general public does not understand what "improvements" even are. I just had a conversation with a fellow whose taxes were sent sky high this year... I explained the land and improvements are valued separately. He objected, saying "But I haven't improved anything...." I explained all buildings are improvements to the land and I really don't think he understood clearly yet what I meant.
 
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