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Cost Approach Lower than Sales Approach

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William Robinson,
What I wrote is what was (look at the words I used). The vacancy rate is now (and has been for the past few months) growing at about the rate of the new houses being built. The speculators are bailing here and the price inflation that was is going with them.

Mike Garrett,
Is that 10% possibly the concessions???
 
Grace

The results of developing the Cost Approach is an Indicated Value.

Nowhere is it written that the indicated value by the Cost Approach must be higher, lower or anywhere in particular when compared to the Sales Data Approach indicated value. It is what it is.

If you think you developed the CA correctly, then accept the indicated value for what it is.
 
Grace,
I like the advice in William’s first post. I would paraphrase that as - FIND reasons to fiddle with the cost approach numbers so the result can better “support” the sales comparison. :icon_smile:

Either that or let this be an oppurtunity to learn how to practice learning how to stop letting clients corrupt your appraisal. There is going to be an unending series of clients who think your value is too low (even if this one only thinks that one of your value indicators is too low).

Mike Neff,
I thought the ultimate goal of doing appraisals is to make enough money, to buy enough of your own property (any kind) so that someday you can stop begging other people to let you analyze theirs for a fee. You can call that the Harry Helmsley model, the appraiser who ended up being the majority partner in the Empire State Building with a real estate portfolio that included a hotel his wife became famous for “managing.” Does anyone think there is something that the Trump’s, Tishman’s and Zell’s of this world (and their senior bean counters) can learn about highest and best use or valuation from a seminar on the cost approach? Anyone think those folks are using fill-in-the-blank cost approach formulas for decision-making? If you answered those last two questions yes, please say hello to Rod Serling and Elvis Presley for me the next time you them. :icon_smile:


 
BTW Grace

If you are using the new form, you do not have to really concern yourself with where the cost approach comes in as long as you consider that you developed it correctly.

You will note in the new form that you certify that you used only the Sales Data Approach in arriving at an opinion of value. Therefore, the Indicated Value based on the Cost Approach is moot. It does not matter where it came in or what it says; as long as you did it correctly.

I personally would not worry about it. Concern yourself with things like Iran developing an A-bomb and leave the CA argument to others.
 
Steven Santora said:
Grace,
I like the advice in William’s first post. I would paraphrase that as - FIND reasons to fiddle with the cost approach numbers so the result can better “support” the sales comparison. :icon_smile:

Either that or let this be an oppurtunity to learn how to practice learning how to stop letting clients corrupt your appraisal. There is going to be an unending series of clients who think your value is too low (even if this one only thinks that one of your value indicators is too low).

Mike Neff,
I thought the ultimate goal of doing appraisals is to make enough money, to buy enough of your own property (any kind) so that someday you can stop begging other people to let you analyze theirs for a fee. You can call that the Harry Helmsley model, the appraiser who ended up being the majority partner in the Empire State Building with a real estate portfolio that included a hotel his wife became famous for “managing.” Does anyone think there is something that the Trump’s, Tishman’s and Zell’s of this world (and their senior bean counters) can learn about highest and best use or valuation from a seminar on the cost approach? Anyone think those folks are using fill-in-the-blank cost approach formulas for decision-making? If you answered those last two questions yes, please say hello to Rod Serling and Elvis Presley for me the next time you them. :icon_smile:



I thought so too.
Works for an immigrant drywaller that I met too. He went from drywaller to developer of over 100 SFRs to date.
 
Pamela Crowley (Florida) said:
William Robinson,
What I wrote is what was (look at the words I used). The vacancy rate is now (and has been for the past few months) growing at about the rate of the new houses being built. The speculators are bailing here and the price inflation that was is going with them.

Mike Garrett,
Is that 10% possibly the concessions???

Pamela, I did try to do so, but I can't even understand your first sentence you just posted. Vacancy rate? That is the first time you said anything about it, as far as I remember. Speculators? I thought they wree the ones holding houses and selling them for more than builders?

Again, this is the problem with the internet and postings. Sometimes, you (and me quite often I know) know exactly what you mean, or are trying to say, but others have trouble understanding.

One thing is for sure, I don't know what the heck is going on in Florida.

All I know, from what I've read here, is Florida builders are contracting to sell homes for less than speculators will, who are leaving the market in droves?????????????????????????/
 
:new_silly:

:rof:

Just know Willl, it all ain't quite right and doesn't always add up like normal math would. "The new paradigm" doesn't produce a 'balanced' market.
 
I'll leave Greg Boyd with one last tidbit of information, after he's clarified his area and situation.

When there is no good answer for something, then you can be pretty sure that there is a bad answer for it. Think about that, and if you want clarification, just ask.
 
Steven Santora said:
Grace,
I like the advice in William’s first post. I would paraphrase that as - FIND reasons to fiddle with the cost approach numbers so the result can better “support” the sales comparison. :icon_smile:

Either that or let this be an oppurtunity to learn how to practice learning how to stop letting clients corrupt your appraisal. There is going to be an unending series of clients who think your value is too low (even if this one only thinks that one of your value indicators is too low).

Mike Neff,
I thought the ultimate goal of doing appraisals is to make enough money, to buy enough of your own property (any kind) so that someday you can stop begging other people to let you analyze theirs for a fee. You can call that the Harry Helmsley model, the appraiser who ended up being the majority partner in the Empire State Building with a real estate portfolio that included a hotel his wife became famous for “managing.” Does anyone think there is something that the Trump’s, Tishman’s and Zell’s of this world (and their senior bean counters) can learn about highest and best use or valuation from a seminar on the cost approach? Anyone think those folks are using fill-in-the-blank cost approach formulas for decision-making? If you answered those last two questions yes, please say hello to Rod Serling and Elvis Presley for me the next time you them. :icon_smile:




Stephen, I would prefer tweak to fiddle, it to the most accurate representation that Grace can. The inherent problem with published costs, such as the ones we use and are about the best we can get our hands on, is that it is aged information. We know they change in 3 months time, as does the market for the land. They change monthly, weekly, daily, and sometimes hourly. My brother in law, who is a general contractor, naturally uses software which he plugs every single number for various costs, on any given day, to give him a number that he can give his customer's so they can have the most accurate number of expected cost, on that day. Ideally, I guess we would do so too.

I'll bet you can be sure that Trump's, Tishman's and Zell's bean counters crunch the numbers of cost, much more than any commercial appraiser and are paid high salaries to do so, but in a perfect appraisal world, we would be paid to do so to their point of accuracy. When these numbers are crunched, then these developers have a basis upon which to make a decision to proceed, depending on the profits.

I don't know Grace, or her level of experience, but "fiddle" and "appraisal" could be confusing or demeaning towards the appraisal process. But who cares? This job sux anyway. LOL
 
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I know that first sentence is incoherent or not perfectly clear, but I can't edit for some reason .
 
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