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CoStar vs. CompStak

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Lemme see. You datamine someone's info then get peeved because they share that info with a cloud service and the way you tell is with all the fraudulent data you seed into your information that renders it basically useless to its user and misleading to the user's customers....
 
Lemme see. You datamine someone's info then get peeved because they share that info with a cloud service and the way you tell is with all the fraudulent data you seed into your information that renders it basically useless to its user and misleading to the user's customers....

LOL Yeap.

Appraisers in ATL share data all of the time. The main difference is we email each other rather than use a web site or cloud service.
 
Peer sharing of data is one thing. selling a compiled data source with deliberately errant data is another...
 
When I go to CoStar it is not worthless but close.
 
When I go to CoStar it is not worthless but close.

Alas, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king. In a non-disclosure state like New Mexico CoStar is unfortunately the best data source available. LoopNet might have a dozen sales (before CoStar purchased them) where CoStar would have hundreds. Albeit most had minimal information, basically that a transaction had occured, a few pictures of the property and maybe contact information for the parties and a listing price. That's better than nothing and enough to get started at least. Even the local commercial MLS can't match CoStar's coverage although what information is on there is probably about 90-95% accurate versus maybe 50% for CoStar.
 
Even if CoStar had all the details an appraiser required, would you not still independently verify that information? When looking for comps, all I'm interested in is a lead. I want to find the details out for myself - even if another appraiser provided them. I think many appraisers are becoming lazy and expect CoStar to provide a complete write-up. Maybe its the times, but not so long ago I remember calling broker after broker, going from courthouse to courthouse searching green sheets or deed indexes, pulling deeds and plats, assessors info, and searching phone directories for buyers and sellers to verify the data. Knowing a sale occurred and the contact information is a HUGE time saver.Especially when working in non-disclosure states, like Alabama or Mississippi.

That said, No one is more critical of CoStar than I. It is grossly overpriced, and the customer service is awful. I left one company and started my own. I got stuck paying two site licenses - for the same states! However, I do like some of the newer features, but like I said, I am not willing to give my right arm for what they have to offer.

But think about it, what would the cost be if CoStar provided all the details appraisers' needed for the transaction. Is that not where we show our worth; the ability to find and analyze comparable properties, whether sales or leases, in relation to the property being appraised? If all those details were available from a service such as CoStar, what would our fees be then? And again, think of the cost of that service.
 
Even if CoStar had all the details an appraiser required, would you not still independently verify that information? When looking for comps, all I'm interested in is a lead. I want to find the details out for myself - even if another appraiser provided them. I think many appraisers are becoming lazy and expect CoStar to provide a complete write-up. Maybe its the times, but not so long ago I remember calling broker after broker, going from courthouse to courthouse searching green sheets or deed indexes, pulling deeds and plats, assessors info, and searching phone directories for buyers and sellers to verify the data. Knowing a sale occurred and the contact information is a HUGE time saver.Especially when working in non-disclosure states, like Alabama or Mississippi.

That said, No one is more critical of CoStar than I. It is grossly overpriced, and the customer service is awful. I left one company and started my own. I got stuck paying two site licenses - for the same states! However, I do like some of the newer features, but like I said, I am not willing to give my right arm for what they have to offer.

But think about it, what would the cost be if CoStar provided all the details appraisers' needed for the transaction. Is that not where we show our worth; the ability to find and analyze comparable properties, whether sales or leases, in relation to the property being appraised? If all those details were available from a service such as CoStar, what would our fees be then? And again, think of the cost of that service.

That's a good point. I could get by with maybe six or eight data points:

Sale Date
Land/Building Size
Year Built
Sale Price
Buyer and Seller
Brokers
Investment or Owner/User

Granted the sale price isn't necessary because I would be confirming that with a broker or buyer/seller. However the conversation is much easier when you can say "I see that it sold for $800,000, is that correct?" versus "what did that sell for". The latter tends to raise people's guard, especially buyers and seller who aren't used to getting calls from appraisers like a broker would be.

However, being able to track down, confirm, and verify that data is part of the value we add. If it was available to everyone, even at a price, it's a lot easier to replace us with an AVM or use a BPO.
 
Michael, you are correct, its easier to verify a sale price than to ask what a property sold for. When I was in Alabama, the amount of the mortgage was recorded, but there was never any sale price reported. I would divide by a 75% loan to value ratio, then ask if $x,zzz,zzz was the correct selling price. Whether it was or not, the buyer/seller would usually give you the correct price> however, often if asked what a property sold for, frequently you'd be told it was none of your business.

I have been studying interviewing techniques. I think this is a valuable skill for an appraiser, particularly in litigation work. I wish the professional organizations would provide a seminar on this topic as I think it would be very helpful to so many appraisers. I have noticed that my ability to obtain useful information has increased since I started learning better techniques.
 
...I would divide by a 75% loan to value ratio....

I think you're stealing CoStar's trade secrets with talk like that.

Actually LoopNet was pretty bad about reporting a sale price that was based on a 75% or 80% loan to value. Even when it was obviously a construction mortgage for a land sale.
 
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