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I measured a house a few years ago that had 83 different measurements. It was a one story home that was shaped like a "U" and they had landscaped all the way around the house.

The worst part was that it was in late November and the windchill was about 4 degrees. My hands were numb which made writing the measurements nearly impossible.
 
Mr. Morgan,

After the 44 sided house I vowed never to have to manually find angles again. After some searching I came across a miter angle finder manufactured by BOSCH. Totally digital. While it is used primarily to figure mitar angles on the interior all one has to do is subtract the angle on the exterior from 180 and thats the degree of the angle to plug into Winsketch. It is Model # DWM 40 L. I caught it on sale recently at Tool Crib of the North, a subsidiary of Amazon.Com and purchased an extra for my brother who just came into the business. Best $100 I spent recently. It normally lists for $119. I highly recommend it.


Bryan
 
<span style='color:darkblue'>Everybody,

I have done some doozies myself. I've even gone way overboard at times. On a few of them, I use to kid that someone could almost build off of them. (Of course, I was just kidding.)

But now days, I always ask the property owner if they have any type of sketch of the improvements, sometimes I just say "property" because if they have a survey or even an old plat map handy, it might be of interest too for other reasons. But mainly I keep it general because they don't always know the terminology, and also, I want to see anything they may have. I ask on inspection about the sketch only if I forget to ask while making the appointment (so they have time to find it). Will they bother to look for it? You bet. You know a common question on the phone is "how long will the inspection take?" The answer: It depends on a couple of things such as whether I need to do a floor plan sketch. Did they ask because they are hoping the inspection will take all afternoon? Nope. If they have it, they will find it, and often have already made me a copy when I get there (or I will just borrow "the original," and be real sure to return it -- I have never failed, and sometimes use the US Mail, after all, I have a copy now myself in case the mail fails). I tell them on the phone that it would be helpful, but to only look if they think they can find it easily and conveniently, otherwise I tell them to forget it.

Blue prints are fine. I would normally rather go through the "reduce and tape" routine than to start from scratch on a difficult one (even an easy one sometimes). Sometimes there have been changes or additions since construction that I will be interested in knowing about. (I know one strictly commercial appraiser who offices in a high-rise and only appraises high-rises or large complex commercial properties who does not even own a tape measure!) For me, commercial buildings will often have an emergency escape floor plan posted everywhere on the walls. I have pulled them off the wall many times and then borrowed their copier, and then stretch a tape on the outside. However, sometimes what they have is just what I want and already in just the right size -- like from an old appraisal report !

Of course, I'm making the assumption here that everyone else also asks if the property has previously been appraised, and if so, that they make the effort to secure a copy of the report, Right?!

What? You don't ask!? You wouldn't ask!? And you wouldn't look at it if it was offered!?

How arrogant and irresponsible of you.

Is that not a serious USPAP due diligence violation somewhere? Somehow?

Surely you are not arrogant enough to believe that in at least one time out of, say, a hundred cases that another appraiser might have noticed something that you are about to miss? Right?

Would it not be a little irresponsible not to even make the effort to check and see? To look at the work of a state-certified colleague who has previously done exactly what you are currently doing -- inspecting the exact same property for an appraisal?

If there is an excellent improvement sketch in the report, is it not inconsiderate to waste the time of your client's client? Would it not be better to carefully check the layout and measurements than to start from scratch and then carefully check your own? Or if a super-difficult structure, would it not be irresponsible to intentionally miss the opportunity for a "second opinion" back at the office after yours is complete? If it is the trainee's first time out alone and you will not be helping with the measurements and calculations this time, would it not be a little inexcusably derelict not to have the trainee bring back such a creature from the inspection, if it exists?

You were about to rely on a trainee's work. Would you not have hired that very same previous appraiser (whose report you have in your hand) to do the sketch for you if he/she were available and offered their services real cheap? If not, I'd check the measurements particularly well. Twice.

Copyrighted issues here?

Naa.

You also get to fulfill your obligation to be up to date on what is typical and customary in your market regarding appraisal methodology and scope and etc., by occasionally observing the work product of your local peers.

What!? You've only been fulfilling this implicit USPAP requirement by studying the often faulty appraisal reports you're sometimes hired to review!? Tisk. Tisk.

But then again, if one is the type appraiser who cannot trust him/herself not to be unduly influenced by the possibility of seeing the valuation that another appraiser has rendered at some point in time on a property, they better forget about this post, because s/he may not be able to avoid seeing it, or avoid being told before s/he can remind the property owner to keep shut. For the same kind of reasons, they might better be careful handling property tax cards too. And also consider staying away from MLS listing sheets that may exist on the property -- current, and/or old ones.

In fact, if this kind of thing is such a problem to an apprasier, I would recommend they let all their clients know right from the start to be careful to never let on what the Contract Purchase Price is, for just the exact same reason.

Now, wait.

Hold on a minute,

let me think...

Nope, I take it back. Scratch that.

Now that I think about it, I know for sure that's a damn violation!

dcj

PS. My hard earned advice? When possible, I spend my time and energy appraising, rather than drawing. Just my opinion. On second thought though, see the following for my revised opinion...

PSS. If you thought this was a horrid post, surely you understand that I was just kidding again; If you thought this post was insightful and helpful, your welcome!</span>
 
My worst measuring experiences were both large REO properties. One about 5000 SF, two story, wierd angles, balconies, bay windows everywhere. This normally wouldn't have been so bad but my grumpy, impatient mentor was there to 'help'. His attitude was particularly crusty from a previous status call that had ripped him a new one that day. Strangely enough, I'm going back to that house this morning as it is now owned by a long time real estate broker who just so happens to have saved all the MLS books from the 70's. I've got a real booger vacant land report to work on that needs to be valued as of 1977 and he's my only hope.

The other 'memorable' experience was just this past winter. I'm eight months pregnant and in full waddle stage. This REO is 2 levels built into the side of a steep hill. Large boulders, cactus foundation plantings.... what a joy. All sorts of observation decks and balconies -this place had probably the best view of the entire Rio Grande Valley I'd ever seen. You could almost see to Grants and Santa Fe which are about 60 miles west and 60 miles north. Long, narrow, steep winding drive way up to the house looked too treacherous for our full size extended cab truck (70' drop off if you don't quite negotiate that turn in reverse properly), so chicken woman here says 'Nope. Park at the street we'll walk up'. I didn't realize just how 'out of shape' I'd feel from being so pregnant. I really didn't think I'd make it up that hill at a few points. Climbing around that hill with all the cactus and steep terrain, and my balance being completely out of whack, I knew I had under quoted this puppy at that point. I get my measurements done and we get inside. Guess what we found? You've got to be kidding?! IN AN REO! No way! Yup, they'd left the original blue prints neatly rolled up in their orginal tube on the kitchen counter. :roll:
 
I recall one 8000 SF about 10 years ago. Consisted of 4 levels, a square box basement, 2 levels were shaped like a central box with boxes jutting out of the corner, twisted 45 degrees at the levels, Top level was smaller version of the 2 main floors. Grim. ALL houses that are v shapes are nightmares to draw and get right.
 
I use the "The Original True Angle" (P.O. Box 280, San Ramon, CA 94583-0280 (800) 745 5045) available at Home depot in three sizes for less than $30. Two plastic rulers laid on top of each other and fastened at one end with a thumb screw and a 360 degree protractor at that end. This together with APEX's abiltiy to input angles as you draw has solved all my geometry woes!
 
Who hasn't spent an hour measuring an angular nightmare while bad-mouthing the architect. Thank god the ugly contemporary is no longer desireable(at least in this market). If every exterior bend is an angle, it more often than not kills the interior room layout, or really restricts the placement of furniture. I have been in several of these homes, where it clearly wasn't designed with livability in mind, but for the ego of the designer.

The most recent bad one that comes to mind was a 9,000 SF home, angled wings, nothing on the first level matched the second, and I measured it in a downpour at about 45 degrees for 45 minutes. My notes looked like something that washed ashore from a shipwreck.
 
George, I've done a lot of things similar to what you are describing. I feel for you.

My worst, however, was a single family residence. I was built on top of a bluff, to take advantage of the view. The angles on that side of the house followed the bluff. On the other side the angles were simply random. There wasn't a square corner in the place.

After the house sold, the buyer looked at the tax assessment, which had come up with a different (lower) square footage than I did. The realtor called me asking how I determined square footage. I told her, I cut the house in half (because my software wouldn't handle the entire thing) and let my software calculate each side. I said: I really don't know if it's right because no two people are going to measure all those angles and curves the same. But I'll bet I'm closer than the assessor.

I never heard any more back from her, so that must have satisfied them.
 
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