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Does roof condition factor into an appraisal?

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It should factor in your decision to buy....if an appraiser does not recognize the problem make sure they are informed of the age of the roof...Shakes can be hard to vet.
 
If you had your choice of two nearly identical houses next to each other and the only difference was that one a a newer, modern roof with 25 or 30 years of life left and the other had an older wood shingle roof that needs replacement in a few years which house would you pay more for?

Depends on how many years "a few" is.
"A few years" could well mean "decades" as there are types of roofing that, with proper maintenance, are good for 150+ years.

If I figure the cedar roof could be repaired within the next few years for nominal cost and be good for another 50+ then the wood shingle would be better. If there is no hope for the wood shingle roof then I would be doing a VERY careful check of the attic for seepage and deduct accordingly from any bid. Also, it would depend on how heavily wooded the area was and the likelihood of woodpeckers driving me insane ;)
 
Our broker told me I was crazy for paying for an appraisal twice, once prior to our offer and second when we finance, but I felt more comfortable doing it this way..
This red flag jumped out at me, and made it difficult to concentrate on your question. Your best line of defense is conservative brokerage.

Everyone knows that the reliability of your lender originated appraisal is only as credible as the lenders management of the appraisers panels. Usually this means credibility for big box lending is absolutely in the toilet. Appraisers who kill deals over roofing issues and come in short on appraised value typically get served and replaced after any single instance of disagreement with all too many lenders out there. Appraisal independence is a factor in your question, specifically lack there of. Your privately ordered appraisal is probably the only one you should count on. Your broker sounds like one of these we only need to hear from the appraiser once type of guys. They hate dealing with appraisers because price and value don't always jive, but the price guys pretend to have an expectation that they always should. What do they care about value? It's not their investment, they are mainly interested in profit through closing. That's why the appraiser is a unique participator and gets paid for the opinion rendered, not the ability to close deals. But like I stated; in a perfect world, which it is not.

Per value: What is the difference in market value for a home with this improvement? All else being equal, this should equate to a straight up reduction in value that is very similar to actual cost to cure price. Some investment incentive is probably present where owners who do this improvement make it easy on buyers who don't have to put the work in, so there could be a minor uptick in home value vs actual roof repair cost.

Sadly, in may neighborhoods, the specifics of some items are overlooked, and even run down examples compete with already improved properties. This is sometimes more common in ritzy areas. Why? Waterfront and scarce ability to replace benefits and exclusive neighborhood appeal. Although it's a major issue, the focus on the roof may distract you from the lot and the view. Decide for yourself where your priorities are, and if the home with the old roof has the million dollar view of that million dollar mansion, I guess you just factor the roof cost in above the market price. But if it's a standard lot, you'd be best off surfing other examples, even over time, to really see if the value is there or not. A roof job can mean more than just a roof. There is all sorts of underlayer work and moisture and insulation work, etc, etc. $25k sounds robust and credible, but then again, if there is any rot, you might as well start tacking on thousands more.

Examples of how roof condition factors in to appraisal: Depends on the comparison sales examples available.

In a perfect world six sales in the past year of six identical houses, three with old roofs, three with new roofs. Differences between the two sets would typically be the cost of roof plus minor upcharge since the sellers coordinated those repairs and the buyers paid for that service by a higher sales price which included the costs of roof plus costs of time and energy since the seller fixed it up nice before hand.

Value in use, value in market, value in remaining effective life of materials. Most importantly; personal value based on your future use and defined term holding of the unit. If you're buying a retirement home with a view, you almost don't even care about the roof and just factor in the cost or pay the price for fixed roof if that's the roof on the lot you want. If it's a flip, you probably want the old roof so you can fix and flip to profit victory. Anyways, that's for reading, Cedar roof is so silly. They went with that material because it had interesting thermal mass heat retention abilities, but unless the owners kept it sealed up right, it eventually just became roof tinder with much less insulation and protective ability.
 
Just a note on linseed oil and linoleum ... real linoleum was made from linseed (oil), thus the name, and was the standard flooring in hospitals for decades due to its reputed anti-microbial properties.

Sorry, just felt compelled to comment as many may be unaware of the origin of linoleum and why linseed oil would be used to treat cedar shake roofs. :)

Thought I'd point out that treating a wood roof with linseed oil is NOT to "replace" the oil content of the wood. That little lie is used by misleading roof treatment scams. The so-called oil content of a brand new cedar shake roof is very low, "replacing" it is pretty much a joke.

However, as an anti-microbial treatment that is different, especially with a lot of salt. ;)
 
Shake Roofing, get a REAL expert before tearing it off.

A couple comments on the roofing article. Take great notice that the "Average" lifespan is with the roof never being treated and not having any maintenance. Next, notice that the "Average" lifespan of the asphalt composite roofing isn't much better.

The bottom line is most roofing types need maintenance and the greater issue is the public is too uninformed, cheap, and unmotivated to get off their rumps and get some maintenance done. A shake roof WITH a good quality treatment once every five years (no pressure washing!) should go from that "Average" without any maintenance at all and no treatments being 18 years to making a lifespan of 30 or more years because it was properly maintained. Many of those shake roofs prematurely replaced in my neighborhood probably had another 10 to 15 years of life left in them for all of $1,000 once in five years. But the "Composite" roofing company that did not specialize in wood roofing didn't tell the property owners that.
 
Thanks Webbed, I'm always learning something new from you.

So can I just eyeball those shake roofs and tell if they've had the proper treatment?

Can you focus on cracking, lifting, curling, sheen, fiber release or soft wear?

How does one make that assessment from ground level, or is that even possible?

I've usually assumed dated on most, and well maintained on only some of those shake roofs. You know the average joe does not treat those puppies like they should, so the typical point where they are ready to go seems to be when they appear bone dry and curling, even with some release of flakes or whole tabs.

Also, is the underlayer of those roofs ready to go with a straight over swap to composite, or do they need to also calculate the underlayer costs in? Did initial builds of shake vs composite typically carry any notable variance regarding underlayer & supportive design?

Really interesting info, that I'll probably research a bit on the net next time I run across that. But for the casual internet learner, care to educate us here?
 
Thanks Webbed, I'm always learning something new from you.

So can I just eyeball those shake roofs and tell if they've had the proper treatment?

Doubtful. A property owner/seller should be able to show receipts and what type of treatment.

Can you focus on cracking, lifting, curling, sheen, fiber release or soft wear?

For an appraiser I see no reason to be making a determination of those things. Several of them would not necessarily mean the roof has less than a decade to go.

How does one make that assessment from ground level, or is that even possible?

The experts I've hired all get on the roof.

I've usually assumed dated on most, and well maintained on only some of those shake roofs. You know the average joe does not treat those puppies like they should, so the typical point where they are ready to go seems to be when they appear bone dry and curling, even with some release of flakes or whole tabs.

Again, even brand new shake has very little oil content. You may be used to the wood roofing treatments that do nothing more than add a color back to the wood after they pressure washed and knocked off a bunch of perfectly good wood from the roofing. Adding color to the wood roof does little and the lack of it means nothing. Some of the best treatments leave the shake looking greyed.

Also, is the underlayer of those roofs ready to go with a straight over swap to composite, or do they need to also calculate the underlayer costs in? Did initial builds of shake vs composite typically carry any notable variance regarding underlayer & supportive design?

To switch from wood roofing to composite a layer of exterior plywood is going to have to be installed. If a person wants the new composite to have even partially the visual appeal of the shake from the dimensional look it provides, by the time the plywood and better composite is put on very little is saved penny wise. Today, pretreated shake can be purchased that comes with a 30 year warranty. Typical construction code today has trusses that can handle going from a shake to almost all composites regardless of weight. Tile? You'll need truss support. Hurricanes? Composite might be better as the upper end stuff has fairly high wind ratings. Constant forest fires? Try metal.

If your a fireman a shake roof burning fast or a composite roof dripping boiling tar on your head probably doesn't make much difference other than which ya prefer. LOL.. ouch! Between the boiling and on fire tar and water damage all over a house, a house fire with composite isn't much better than a house fire with shake.


Really interesting info, that I'll probably research a bit on the net next time I run across that. But for the casual internet learner, care to educate us here?

Roofing is expensive. I would think people would want to make their shake roofs last as long as possible, but I also think people neglect all roofing types. With oil the price it is, composite isn't always the best choice when perhaps cementatious tile (air puffed concrete) or other new roofing types out should be considered.
 
Seems linseed oil would make shakes highly combustible.

I know a lot of wood shingles that last 20 yr. even in our humid climate.
 
I'd like to correct any impression I made that a shake roof might not do was well in a high wind storm as other roofing types. My internet reading on it this week found a properly installed shake roof and take 120 mph winds or more.... Quite interesting.

A diluted chlorine bleach spray left on a bit and then rinsed, then a copper based treatment, every five years can take a good quality properly installed shake roof to beyond 30 years of life. The entire problem is the home owners don't do squat to these roofs the first 15 years and then complain when they don't make it over 20.
 
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