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Ter,

Now if you can cite something from Fannie that is more recent than 10 years ago, I'll happily consider it. But, frankly, I continue to blister about Fannie being any sort of definitive answer for appraisers. We know how to appraise much better than they do. Fannie Mae is interested in one thing only- maximizing their profits and doing whatever they must to achieve that. It's the reason that they developed desktop underwriter.

That same guide, by the way, would take issue with your post on reporting comparisons- it said that calling a home in average condition means that it is similar in condition to the market norm in the area. I happen to agree with it, but have had to explain this to any number of owners when I said the home was in average condition for its area when it is only 6 months old. Well, since the other homes in the complex are 6 months old, it IS in average condition for that market.

As to your software, I would tell you this. I looked at 2 reports in the last week that had unbelievable adjustments. The first was a +300 adjustment to a comp that was 17 feet smaller than the subject- 4000 +/- sized homes. The second made an adjustment for 7 feet vs. a 3900 SF subject. Both value opinions were otherwise well supported. It started to get to me, so I called the first appraiser.

He explained that his SOFTWARE was set to adjust for ANY difference in size at a prescribed amount per SF. But this was clearly not a supportable adjustment- and he agreed and said he was changing his default settings that day. So, just because the software allows it does not make it right.

That said, there is NOTHING wrong with using effective age instead of actual if you have 2 things: 1) you do not "double dip", and 2) you KNOW the effective age of the comps. I would suggest that if you do this, you first explain that you are adjusting for condition and age in combination and that you tell your reader just how you know the effective age of the comps.

I have, in the past, used 3 comps that were all from my files. I saw them all on the inside, derived their effective ages from the market, so I knew what the actual facts were. However, you find that most appraisers are simply guessing at the effective ages of the comps and have not seen them.

Brad Ellis, IFA, RAA
 
Well said Bradellis,
You seem to know me so well, When I use "average" to represent the minimum acceptable to the market in that neighborhood in that value range. If they are 85 year old houses so be it. If they are brand new so be it. By doing this I have a point to start from to assess those properties that do not meet the standard and for properties that exceed the standard. Now many houses may exceed the standard but not get a return for their excess this is called over improvment and will not warrant an adjustment. I think this is where some earlier posts say they do not make adjustments from average to good, I assume this is because their markets will not pay for it.
 
I always state the Actual Age and Effective Age on the subject and comparable sales (A-25/E-15). In my judgement condition and effective age are not necessary the same thing although they tend to correlate.

For example a 40 year old home in good condition usually has had both decortive. regular, and sometimes major components features. Like a renovated Kitchen, update bathrooms, refinished flooring, interior decor, etc.... A comparable sale of the same physical age may have completely different factors like new siding, new roof, replacement windows, but lack the interior decor and updating.

Also, I consider effective age to be a measurement of remaining life for major components like the roof, plumbing, and mechanical systems. So to me, an effective age of 25 on a 25 year old home would indicate that major components are at or near the end of their life expentency.

Also, it is possible for a home to be in good physical condition and also be dated. I seen more then a few homes that look good but are dated by the interior decor and detail (shag carpet, alvacdo green appliances -- no offense to you retro types).

The bottom line is if your adjustments are consistant and reasonable. If we agree that a total adjustment might be $X,000 and I want to seperate it between effective age and condition; while you want to put it into only condition, then we have taken different roads to the same destination.
 
I always state the Actual Age and Effective Age on the subject and comparable sales (A-25/E-15). In my judgement condition and effective age are not necessary the same thing although they tend to correlate.

For example a 40 year old home in good condition usually has had both decortive. regular, and sometimes major components features. Like a renovated Kitchen, update bathrooms, refinished flooring, interior decor, etc.... A comparable sale of the same physical age may have completely different factors like new siding, new roof, replacement windows, but lack the interior decor and updating.

Also, I consider effective age to be a measurement of remaining life for major components like the roof, plumbing, and mechanical systems. So to me, an effective age of 25 on a 25 year old home would indicate that major components are at or near the end of their life expentency.

Also, it is possible for a home to be in good physical condition and also be dated. I seen more then a few homes that look good but are dated by the interior decor and detail (shag carpet, alvacdo green appliances -- no offense to you retro types).

The bottom line is if your adjustments are consistant and reasonable. If we agree that a total adjustment might be $X,000 and I want to seperate it between effective age and condition; while you want to put it into only condition, then we have taken different roads to the same destination.
 
Yeah George!!!!

That's the same way I do it, although I state the effective age first. Chronological age bugs me out big time because it's never exactly known and thus, a source for contention, if missed by much.

Must be an SRA thing......

Ben
 
Ben,
I don't know about yor area but here in San Diego, the two things I can count on as being accurate in public record id the year built and the lot size.
 
Fred,

Our public records are every vague and even if the year built was listed, you'd take it with a grain of salt, if you saw who gathers the field data.

At revaluation time, the field guys that gather the data are usually unemployed whatever's and/or college students that get paid a couple of bucks to inspect each house so ...let's say the accuracy leaves much to be desired as they quickly move from one home to another to make a decent day's wage. They ask you the age, you guess it and they put that down as official. If you don't know, they make a guess based on style or construction type. I know one tax assessor who doesn't even trust the info in his files but will actually go out and remeasure a house on a tax appeal rather than be embarassed by the s/f info in his files. He knows he will be up against an appraiser who has accurately measured the home.

During the last reval in my town, the guy who inspected my home was a college student going for his law degree who was totally baffled by my home. I told him how to measure my house which is a simple New England saltbox but it still came back as a full two story house with too much square footage. Easy appeal victory for me acting, of course, not as an appraiser, but let's say, a super-informed owner.

Lot sizes here are a joke in the tax records. Just two figures that are multiplied together even if the lot is irregular so you use the lot size info at your own risk. Always best to look at the tax map or a survey for the true lot size.

It must be nice to have accurate public records...but then that's what AVM's need and we're still pretty far away from that here...

Ben
 
Ben,
Lot size and year built are the only 2 things that are reliable in our public record. GLA, room count, stories, garage size,zoning,land use, fireplaces,building class building style,# of units, etc. is almost always wrong. Bad for AVM'S good for me in that respect.
 
"I've never heard of anyone adjusting by effective age"

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Me either :!: Looks like the girls have it :!:
 
I have never allowed a sub to adjust by actual age unless it is less than 5 years old (thus unlikely to have been remodeled)
 
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