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EIFS Repair Expert

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CoreyTurcotte

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Hello everyone,
I just wanted to say hello
I have been in the EIFS Industry for over 20 years and you can feel free to ask me questions.
I am an expert on what to look for in an EIFS project
  • Is kick out flashing installed on the home
  • Is the EIFS properly terminated
  • Windows and Doors - If this is done correctly you know you have a winner. (Upon request I could go into detail on this)

are just a few things to look for. If you know exactly what you are looking for you can very easily tell if you have a EIFS home that was constructed by someone that knows what they are doing, and did not cut corners.

Also another note worthy item is new standards in the EIFS industry, which include a Water Management System and a Water Prevention System. A Water Management System is great, but a Water Prevention System is better.

Well, that's my into, hope this helps someone here, and feel free to message me with questions.
I could rattle on all day about this stuff, and post a ton of great links, but I do not want to overstep my new member status.

Corey Turcotte
EIFS - Exterior Insulation and Finish System - Synthetic Stucco
 
Great, if I ever have questions regarding EIFS I will send you an email. I put your homepage in my repair data files.
 
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Great, Thank you for posting Marty.
I did not want to sound like a commercial, because the website is really all about helping people understand how EIFS is suppose to be done. And I figure if enough people know how to spot a contractor cutting corners, then maybe, just maybe the EIFS product will be seen for what it really is, a great product that can withstand the test of time, when done correctly.
 
Eifs

20 years of EIFS industry here as well. I remember very well how a few contractors swept through my part of the region, and to this day, I can take you through large scale housing developments, visually picking out every house executed by these contractors. Some have since been replaced, some remain to this day, no kick outs, no caulk joints, EIFS terminated tight to the roof, visible areas of EPS separation from the sub-straight, some of which you can actually count the EPS board, as well as see the exact number of really rough plasterers having worked on the job, by the many different textures still present, and the finish aggregate behavior,blend lines and overall appearance. Three of these contractors are still in business to this day, even in the wake of so much rough work. I am also seeing contractors who are not EIFS Smart, EIFS certified and or have any real experience in applying these products, bid and sub out their work to illegal aliens. This is an alarming trend that stands to once again increase the amount of EIFS going up the wrong way, and is no doubt fueled by the increasingly slim market place and high competition. I have seen homeowners completely blindsided by substantial cost to repair a home they had only recently purchased. And like yourself, I firmly believe a homeowner needs to be vigilant and learn exactly what to look for during the application. I tell people to photo each step taken, so if there is a future problem, another EIFS professional can most likely view those images and get a good idea what is contributing to the problem. I was lucky enough to have served under James Justice the very EIFS consultant/engineer who was featured on 20/20, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and other television networks, having been a key role member in the bulk of the EIFS litigation, and class action suits. I had 8 Simultaneous government projects going at one time, for which he was the architectural consultant and inspector. That was many years ago, and those building still look new today. In my experience there are some failures that must fall back to the manufacturers, not every project that failed was due to contractor application procedures. Most of these type failures were early on, and many of the products and specified methods of application have long since been discontinued, however EIFS still has its weaknesses in a few areas of performance, whereby normal natural process can cause big problems. Statistically EIFS repairs here in Indiana that are not due to improper application/installation are primarily due to hail damage. In our experience it is better to have substantial hail damage, rendering an immediate repair, rather then slight, hardly visible hail damage. Small Hail, can, has and will continue, to make small unseen holes in the EIFS surfaces, allowing natural precipitation to saturate the EPS and eventually the Sub-straight. Its always a good idea to have your home inspected post hail storm to identify unseen damage that may cause big problems down the road. Indiana has a ton of really good third party inspectors. As a contractor, we take steps to place preventative measures into our applications, eliminating these type problems. With 20 years of EIFS experience, I'm sure you know just how valuable a second layer of mesh can be along the tops of accent bands, window bands and any other EIFS surface areas that are exposed to skyward impact zones. These are steps i believe all contractors should take, and furthermore, would have thought I would have seen a bulletin or spec by now from at least one EIFS manufacturer. As far as residential, I would have to disagree with your comment on "water prevention verses water management" Residential projects are more prone to roof leaks, window leaks, chimney leaks and other forms of incidental moisture. A home that is water tight, is also air tight (Non-permeable) and cannot breath, seriously accelerating the biodegrading process of the " A Typical " combustible construction materials we use here in the states (wood/gypsum) causing mold/mildew and rot in much less time. Furthermore anytime you are applying EPS, especially in more elaborate designs, you are affecting the insulation performance of the wall, at different levels and at varying rates and locations across any one wall due to the varying thicknesses of foam you are applying. When you are pitching so many levels of r-factor at so many varying rates, you no doubt change interior wall temperatures, quite possibly causing the dew point to be located in the wall cavity, as the outside temperatures drop during the night, causing condensation/dew to form inside the wall, much like you see in some forms of double/triple pane windows. This form of incidental moisture has proven to be a problem as well, in many case studies, and in all these cases a water management system is far more valuable in the residential market place, for the above reasons, as well as their ability to insure proper management of incidental moisture in cases where any other system/material may fail.



Jeff Johnson
OPCMIA PL/PX
Indiana Wall Systems CEO
 
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U.S. Army Corps of Engineers provide real world insight and new independent study data. Also the "National Institute of Standards and Technology" have produced many solid results on EIFS and EIFS barrier/water managed Systems. Also the "ICC Evaluation Service" & "International Code Council (ICC)" and for homeowners and people considering EIFS, reviewing the The U.S. Department of Energy's 30 month studies, is quit educational, and presented in easy to read result data. There are many tricks to extend the wall life, protect against typical damage and failure, both by modifying applications and even design, EIFS placement on a wall, and how it terminates and relates to the other wall cladding, soffit, roof, window and door locations, are all key in designing and applying an absolute solid product that will last.
 
Water Prevention

As far as residential, I would have to disagree with your comment on "water prevention verses water management" Residential projects are more prone to roof leaks, window leaks, chimney leaks and other forms of incidental moisture. A home that is water tight, is also air tight (Non-permeable) and cannot breath, seriously accelerating the biodegrading process of the " A Typical " combustible construction materials we use here in the states (wood/gypsum) causing mold/mildew and rot in much less time.
Actually the 'Water Prevention System' is designed to be used under the windows and along the roof line. It is used with the Water Management System.
The field wall is still using the same water management system. The prevention system protects the field wall from ever being damaged from failed caulking or a failed roof.
 
Dew Point

Furthermore anytime you are applying EPS, especially in more elaborate designs, you are affecting the insulation performance of the wall, at different levels and at varying rates and locations across any one wall due to the varying thicknesses of foam you are applying. When you are pitching so many levels of r-factor at so many varying rates, you no doubt change interior wall temperatures, quite possibly causing the dew point to be located in the wall cavity, as the outside temperatures drop during the night, causing condensation/dew to form inside the wall, much like you see in some forms of double/triple pane windows.
It is important to use a liquid air/water barrier when applying EIFS. The Oak Ridge Testing has taught us that this barrier preforms the best. The Dew Point issue is addressed by the air/water liquid barrier..
 
Actually the 'Water Prevention System' is designed to be used under the windows and along the roof line. It is used with the Water Management System.
The field wall is still using the same water management system. The prevention system protects the field wall from ever being damaged from failed caulking or a failed roof.


You are speaking of water prevention components, in a water management system. A true water prevention system by definition is completely sealed. There are many upgrades these days whereby you can graduate an older standard system to a completely water tight system. Its my professional opinion these products do more to not only increase the chances for moisture damage, but also accelerate the rates. Facts are in hundreds of studies to be seen.

"The prevention system protects the field wall from ever being damaged from failed caulking or a failed roof" You are speaking of sub-straight protection components, back-stop, ice and water shield among others. Your right, those are part of a water managed system, which is not how I read the first post, which was listed in an either or format, each belonging to different systems. these days everyone has their own cocktail of what works best, but a true water prevention system, does exactly that, prevents water from intruding upon the sub-straight, the cons of such systems are the fact that they also eliminate dry-out, creating greater risk as well as speeding the process of mold growth and biodegrading.
 
Hail Damage

Small Hail, can, has and will continue, to make small unseen holes in the EIFS surfaces, allowing natural precipitation to saturate the EPS and eventually the Sub-straight.

I agree the hail will cause damage to the EIFS mostly on flat surfaces. It can even saturate the EPS foam if not addressed after the storm, but if a air/water barrier was used the substrate will not become saturated. Again the fluid air/water barrier is proven to work the best.
After a major storm it is a good idea to do a maintenance sweep of the property to assess the damages and plan for repairs.
 
" air/water liquid barrier" I'm not trying to discredit your ideas, but if your going to believe a barrier that is air and water tight will eliminate condensation due to temperature changes, then why does this not work for glass? is glass not 100% water proof? there are no real defenses against natural condensation culminated from temperature changes and dew point levels. Thus the importance for a system with the ability to expel incidental moisture. Facts are you now say you were not talking about a "water prevention system", you were talking about components to an A Typical water management system, the sub-straight protection components to be exact. When in-fact a true water/moisture prevention systems water preventing components are on the surface of the system, completely contrary to "Water Managed Systems"
 
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