EIFS Repair Expert

[EIFSExpertIndy]

"I agree the hail will cause damage to the EIFS mostly on flat surfaces. It can even saturate the EPS foam if not addressed after the storm, but if a air/water barrier was used the substrate will not become saturated. Again the fluid air/water barrier is proven to work the best" your exactly right! the "air/water barrier" portion of any a typical "water management system" as defined by EIMA and all manufacturers, is the best defense. Exactly why I stated a water management system is far better then a water prevention system. In a true "water prevention system" whereby the protecting qualities are on the surface, what do you think happens when that hail makes hole in the eifs, and the water saturates the EPS and the EIFS is not able to breath? Thus the reason a completely water tight EIFS system is clearly not the best route for homeowners.

 

[CoreyTurcotte]

You are speaking of water prevention components, in a water management system. A true water prevention system by definition is completely sealed. There are many upgrades these days whereby you can graduate an older standard system to a completely water tight system. Its my professional opinion these products do more to not only increase the chances for moisture damage, but also accelerate the rates. Facts are in hundreds of studies to be seen.

"The prevention system protects the field wall from ever being damaged from failed caulking or a failed roof" You are speaking of sub-straight protection components, back-stop, ice and water shield among others. Your right, those are part of a water managed system, which is not how I read the first post, which was listed in an either or format, each belonging to different systems. these days everyone has their own cocktail of what works best, but a true water prevention system, does exactly that, prevents water from intruding upon the sub-straight, the cons of such systems are the fact that they also eliminate dry-out, creating greater risk as well as speeding the process of mold growth and biodegrading.

Really I am not talking about plastic components from a water management system. I am talking about a water prevention system that is used just in certain areas of the home that area prone to water intrusion. Because the system is limited to small areas, and is tied into the water management system it is not water tight at all. The only draw back is that it takes longer to install.
You are right everyone does have a system they think works best, but The Department of Energy's Office of Science has done extensive testing, and it has proven that there is a EIFS system that works best, and out preforms many building claddings including brick, cement block, stucco, and more.

 

[EIFSExpertIndy]

I just finished a Fedex facility that had hail dents 2 inches in diameter, roughly 1/2 to 1 inch deep, every 6 to 8 inches apart, for 300 feet across a westward wall, from soffit to grade. Hail here in Indiana anyway, tends to really impact the entire surface area, on the western end of any given EIFS building. This one was an older STO job, and as you are most likely aware, it was that old chalk like sto finish, really weak. I remember back in the day when sto had the oval pails, how the STO finish was the only finish to come out of my clothes in the laundry, any other finish stayed in your jeans and shirts forever. You could tell which plasterers worked on what by the color on their whites. Not a big problem really until we did that United Artist theater on the west side on Indy that was "dusty Peach" Pink! and everyone was Pink for 3 years.

 

[EIFSExpertIndy]

Once again, you are only talking about a water managed system. Components to a water managed system........does not have to be plastic, you are speaking about membrane applications, sub-straight protection components, to an " A Typical " water management system.

 

[CoreyTurcotte]

Drew point

if your going to believe a barrier that is air and water tight will eliminate condensation due to temperature changes

I did not say that it will eliminate condensation!
I said it solves the dew point issue, which it does, by bringing the dew point from the wall cavity to the exterior of the substrate.
http://eifsrepair.info/next-generation-eifs/

 

[EIFSExpertIndy]

you must be referring to the "water prevention components" as listed in the dept of energy's studies. I direct all my customers to those, the "30 month studies" they are the easiest to understand for people who do not know much about EIFS. and they also give homeowner's key information on what to look for.

 

[EIFSExpertIndy]

lol, read that again. Terms like " virtually eliminated " are used. Not sure who "EIFS next gen" is, but Im a contractor EIMA member, updated constantly. Nothing eliminates natural condensation! nothing! shoring up my opinion, which is the value of a water managed system on any residential structure.

 

[CoreyTurcotte]

water prevention

Once again, you are only talking about a water managed system. Components to a water managed system........does not have to be plastic, you are speaking about membrane applications, sub-straight protection components, to an " A Typical " water management system.

I am not sure why you insist on putting words in my mouth, but again I assure you I am not talking about 'Components to a water managed system'
Why you would not believe that is beyond me.
The water prevention system is a different way of applying and doing the same thing we always do to prevent water intrusion to vital areas of the wall.

 

[CoreyTurcotte]

Next Generation EIFS

Next Generation EIFS
The first generation of EIFS was known as barrier EIFS where the EIFS itself was the weather barrier. And as we know caulk, roofs, and other unforeseen elements can fail, and allow water to infiltrate the system. The Next Generation EIFS was introduced right about the year 2000, in America. This Next Generation EIFS introduced a moisture/air barrier which solved many of the issues that the barrier EIFS had.

 

[CoreyTurcotte]

Eima

Not sure who "EIFS next gen" is, but Im a contractor EIMA member, updated constantly

Here is a quote from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory

A collaborative effort by ORNL and the EIFS Industry Members Association (EIMA) is now enabling the industry to design superior next-generation EIFS wall systems using state-of-the-art moisture engineering technology.

You mentioned you are a member of EIMA who are actually innovators of The Next Generation of EIFS by helping fund some of the most important testing done on EIFS. You are right EIMA is constantly updated with new industry standards; the information provided above is from 2006-2007.