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No need to chase the cost to cure, I can provide it: If the market doesn't accept a property without stalls, the cost to cure would be the cost to add the required number of stalls.

An addition of 40' X 60' feet (or whatever size) at $X.XX per square foot.

In my area we have a market for this type of property for private ownership as well as a commercial operation.
 
I question whether any horse boarding operation would be feasible in the current economy with discretionary income trending downward and commodities such as oats and hay going up in price rather significantly.
 
At $395 a mo....it's economic for some folks-the owners.
This one is called equestrian bridges at Twin Springs (never mind the old timers did NOT call that Twin Springs & us not quite that old timers recall it as the site of the notorious "Gut Plant" which stunk up the countryside. You can check 'em out at www.equestrianbridges.org ...BTW its' near Gallitin...our local fire dept/community. They have "natural" horse classes and they teach autistic kids how to ride.

PS - Gat - yer PM is locked...won't let me respond to you.
I question whether any horse boarding operation would be feasible in the current economy
You are not hard core. Today, women are the leading horse owners. They now teach classes for the men so they can ride with the ladies. The kids will go hungry before the horse. I sold hay last year to a guy who could not afford to buy but $25 at a time. He went 30 mi. out of his way from work to pick up a week's supply for about 3 months....go figure.
 
Gatlin, what did you do wrong in a previous life to get these assignments. This is worse than the last one.
 
Terril - the really good operators of this type of method are going to attract a following among the folks who have the kind of serious $$$ to pay the bills - and there will be those who can afford to and want to pay to play with a 'natural' horse... Frankly thats how horses OUGHT to be stabled anyway! It is far healthier for a horse to live on and in the natrual environment!
I will disagree on this method of keeping then in runs, horses should be stable in open pastures with wind breaks. Not kept in some "run/paddock/small turn out area" either by their self or a number of other horses. A horse needs some space. Have not clue what a track is or how large, never heard the term.

As to the going away/Fad issue? Not so much: Think on it - less shoveling of manure and stable chores, lower cost of operation in that sense... and the very wealthy can have a feel good and impeccably trained horse as a result... Small acreage large number of horses will produce a manure problem. Will produce health problems, will produce injury problems. Even now many townships have rules and regulations on manure handling for a horse operation, required amount of space for each horse, etc.

Science is proving that round pen training can cause problems with bone development in joints of horses as well as mental problems caused by this type of training method.


There will be a short list of highly succesful operators of this nature. Kind of like the top racing stables - those who do what they do the best will thrive even in tough times. The rest will have overimproved properties which will go begging when they deep-six on feed costs. Agreed and there are currently a lot of then all over the country that have gone belly up. Many are supported by other income.

Gatlin -

You probably want to Google for ALL the 'natural horsemanship' type gurus. This actually may be a REAL wide range for possible similar properties - even international! Correct. You might try the National Horse Council, State Horse Councils, Breed Associations, National and International Shows, such as the American Royal, Denver Western, Ft. Worth Fat Stock Show and others. They should have mailing list of commercial stables in there area. But be sure and check how they are supported.

You may want to ask who (if anyone) else has built something like this: Dennis Reis, Clinton Anderson (Aussie), Buck Brannaman, Mark Rashid, Monty Roberts, Ray Hunt, Steve Jefferys, Pat Parelli are good places to start... Some of those guys are mostly retired, but would know who's who and where they are! There are about 8 who are highly prominant - most have more traditional stabling arrangements. Most of them also operate in climates of less extreme nature than WI - and have stalls/runs and more traditional stabling facilities... Most had incomes other then the boarding and training that there operation depended on for income. Sponsorship from different manufacturing business, Sale of books, videos, production of clinics nationally. Even today if you visit a number of equine web forums you will see these "top trainers" tickets to there events being given away for people to come. Its all in the marketing and sponsorships to make money on sales.

Each of the names listed above have and use different methods for training. With Ray Hunt being about the basic and the best, I feel. There were many before him, who just did there jobs on the ranches as head wrangles. Even today it is said for every one that seem to become popular for a one to five years, there are 20 more working on the ranches and horse remuda's that are just as good or better. The others went on to expound off his theories. Some I feel from an old horsemen’s and cattlemen’s view is just plain BS. “Carrot Sticks”, “Special Lead Ropes that you wiggle like a snake”, “voodoo juice”, special bonnets for your horses head the list is endless of the gizmos that some of these people sell to their followers.

You are also looking at a cross section of some 50 years for these names, that is a lot of years to divided then into and then divide then across N. America.

Not sure of the advisability of chasing the 'cost to cure' for installation of stalls etc... as there will be a LOT of those facilities available as existing stable operators go belly up . There are always a LOT of those in tough times as horses are a pretty expensive hobby - similar to if not exceeding boats as holes you throw money into. Discretionary funds activities get cut deep when times get tough. Lots for sale in Wisconsin and lot more across the country. Most are turned into some type of storage business. These places come and go every year.

However you won't have as much physical depreciation (superadequacy) in what you describe and the facility may have alternate H&BU depending on location... like a really cheap place to park SUV's and Motor homes which only get used once every three years or so - can't be sold for near what the owners have in em and are too pricy to store someplace else!

Please keep me apprised of your progress, we are seeing more facilities edging that way down here...


The cost to maintain the buildings and fencing of a horse operation is higher then the norm for buildings of similar size. A horse can destroy a lot of things, real fast.
 
I question whether any horse boarding operation would be feasible in the current economy with discretionary income trending downward and commodities such as oats and hay going up in price rather significantly.


You are correct, cost of doing business is really climbing. there are several in the Madison area that are in trouble. One of the best hunter/jumper barns is a break even at best. The owner has it because that is what she likes to do. Even with that she works her students at cleaning the barns and maintaining the property while paying board and for riding lessons. Stating add that cost in and she is not even breaking even.
 
At $395 a mo....it's economic for some folks-the owners.
This one is called equestrian bridges at Twin Springs (never mind the old timers did NOT call that Twin Springs & us not quite that old timers recall it as the site of the notorious "Gut Plant" which stunk up the countryside. You can check 'em out at www.equestrianbridges.org ...BTW its' near Gallitin...our local fire dept/community. They have "natural" horse classes and they teach autistic kids how to ride. Not being mean here, but I would venture to guess because of this they have a lot of cost donated to them in the way of cash funding and labor.

PS - Gat - yer PM is locked...won't let me respond to you.
You are not hard core. Today, women are the leading horse owners. I think they always have been for the last 80 years. They now teach classes for the men so they can ride with the ladies. Yep. The kids will go hungry before the horse. In a lot of cases. I sold hay last year to a guy who could not afford to buy but $25 at a time. He went 30 mi. out of his way from work to pick up a week's supply for about 3 months....go figure.
Yep, and you should take a look at a lot of their homes and the condition that the horses are kept in. Yet many have a $40K truck and $70K trailer to haul in.
 
That's a new one on me and I'm in the county that claims to be the horse capital of the world. I'm not sure how a horse person would react to a boarding facility with no stalls.


It depends, many just look for pasture board, around here that runs from $35 to $150 a month. $150 would be very high end with more then just water, pasture and a salt lick.

But they still would want a tie outs and a tack room to keep equipment in.

Box stalled horses also know as "hot house horses" tend to have a lot of physical and mental propblems not associated with horses that have large turn out on pastures and ranges.

One horse starts with minium of 5 acres for it, that is in good grass country, the west can range from 50 to 100 acres and up for pasture only.

So depending on the number of acres, how many horse would it maintain?
 
I know less than nothing about horses, but the phrase "natural horsemanship" comes from an outfit in Pagosa Springs, CO called Parelli Natural Horsemanship. I guess they have a pretty large following. You might google them to find out what you can. Maybe they know of some other facilities like this.


Parelli, came up from Cave Creek, Az. about 15 years ago to Pagosa Springs. He follow John Lyons who move into an old shale oil mans fancy equine center a Parchute, Co back in the 70's.

The following for both has been ebing the last few years. They have been giving tickest away here in Wisconsin if you want to attented there presentations.
 
I have read quite a bit about this, will try to find where I found it, it's been a while.

Basically the premise is to keep horses more in their natural state. Stalls being "unnatural" (separating from the heard) and leading to problems like pacing, cribbing, windsucking, weaving, anxiety, casting and stocking up. Keeping them in a more open setting (herd type setting) is supposed to relieve anxiety and keep them moving around. As opposed to keeping them outside with just a lean to, the entire area is covered for sun/rain/wind/snow protection.

At our barn we have individuals that pay board for a stall, they let their horses in with the other horses in to feed (grain/water/hay) then have theirs let back out, provided there isn't really bad weather.

Edit: Here are some sources I found...
http://www.thehorseshoof.com (look under natural horse care)

http://superhoof.org/natural-boarding-directory.php
 
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