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External Obsolescence?

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But the cost approach is supposed to be an independent approach to value. How independent (and how good a validation tool) is it if my adjustment of first resort when costs exceed SCA indicated value is to apply an equalizer (make it equal to)? :shrug:
unfortunately, the SCA and CA have been treated as needing to be equal. CA doesn't work in the capacity of mirroring the SCA when a property is not at its HBU...which is what defines Ex. Obsol. The lot value question is intriging because some would argue that the measure of the Ex Ob is the difference between the land value "as is" and "as if vacant".. Therefore, the new construction that shouldn't have been built due to market conditions suffers a defect equal to the difference in lot values. A lot that is worth $25,000 today, but was developed at a time the builder was paying $40,000 suffers a $15,000 Ex ob.
 
unfortunately, the SCA and CA have been treated as needing to be equal. CA doesn't work in the capacity of mirroring the SCA when a property is not at its HBU...which is what defines Ex. Obsol. The lot value question is intriging because some would argue that the measure of the Ex Ob is the difference between the land value "as is" and "as if vacant".. Therefore, the new construction that shouldn't have been built due to market conditions suffers a defect equal to the difference in lot values. A lot that is worth $25,000 today, but was developed at a time the builder was paying $40,000 suffers a $15,000 Ex ob.

I remember those threads that said the EO was due to the lot (site). That would be incorrect. I am doing an assignment for divorce that shows the property was worth what they paid for it in 2004, but is now worth about $60k-70k less. It is not the lot, it is the external factors that have determined the value. The lot still has value, although it might be less than the $40,000 they paid for it. That does not explain the other $20-$30,000. That is explained in external obsolescence.
 
unfortunately, the SCA and CA have been treated as needing to be equal. CA doesn't work in the capacity of mirroring the SCA when a property is not at its HBU...which is what defines Ex. Obsol. The lot value question is intriging because some would argue that the measure of the Ex Ob is the difference between the land value "as is" and "as if vacant".. Therefore, the new construction that shouldn't have been built due to market conditions suffers a defect equal to the difference in lot values. A lot that is worth $25,000 today, but was developed at a time the builder was paying $40,000 suffers a $15,000 Ex ob.

There's an opinion that says external obsolescence to the land is reflected in the actual land value. That makes sense to me. In my cost approach, a lot worth $25,000 today will be valued at $25,000 in the CA...not $40,000 with a $15,000 adjustment for economic depreciation.

When looking at it from the price to build, though, my figures are coming from the M&S and do not account for the extreme local conditions I might see is a very specific market. To account for it I try to measure the economic depreciation in builder's pricing and adjustment for it separately in order to show my work. I suppose I could just deduct it from my price to build as a per square foot number, but I want my CA replicable using the sources I cite.

I would argue though that there are more than 2 ways to these problems and still get them right.
 
There's an opinion that says external obsolescence to the land is reflected in the actual land value.
Thanks Jim, I thought everyone was completely losing it!

The three approaches to value, I assume, were at one time similar to the three branches of government, providing critical checks and balances.

The Income Approach was based on the precept that investors (or owners) would not pay more for a property than it was capable of producing, relative to the return on other competing investments.

The Cost Approach presumes that a buyer will not pay more for a property than the cost to build a similar property (plus a factor for the development risk and effort).

When the real estate boom began, instead of double-checking our opinions against all three approaches to value, we merely rationalized the weighting of the Sales Comparison Analysis. After all, that's what the market showed it would pay for a property.

But, if we had taken a closer look at the Income Approach we would have realized that, except during boom times, people are generally reluctant to make mortgage payments that exceed rental costs.

And, except in boom times, buyers are generally unwilling to pay more for a property than the cost for which they could build a similar property.

So, what happened? Investment buyers started included anticipated appreciation into their cash flow and were happy to buy investment properties that returned 0% cash-on-cash because they knew they could look forward to hundreds of thousands of dollars in profit upon resale.

Homeowner-buyers began to ignore the alternative of building, because a completed property would appreciate so much over a year that it just made no sense at all to spend a year building a property, even if there was tremendous compensation for the effort to build.

And so, buyers ignored two important value checks, the Income and Cost Approaches, and appraisers followed suite as we conjured up rationalizations that let us develop opinions of value at the popular point, defined by market vagaries and uncommitted buyers, and illustrated by the Sales Comparison Approach.

Had we adhered to the principle of three approaches to value, these checks and balances, much irresponsible lending would have been curtailed. As we find values hurtling downwards, appraisers are again talking about the fundamental value of real estate (based on investment returns and rent/own tradeoffs) and using the Cost Approach as a check on the upper limit of a property's value.

What does this have to do with External Obsolescence? Many appraisers have developed the habit of using External Obsolescence as a rationalization, with no logic or consistency to back it, the same way that most appraisers include the statement that buyers don't recognize a relationship between rental income and value. (The rent statement is true, but should not be used as a justification to categorically reject the Income Approach.)

So, when the Sales Comparison Analysis and the Income Approach don't jive, just chalk up the difference to External Obsolescence.

Why is that wrong? Because the Cost Approach is static, and deals with a specific point in time. External and Economic Obsolescence occur over a period of time. Regional material and labor costs are the same, no matter whether they are placed on the subject lot with External Obsolescence or a superior lot four blocks away. The way the Cost Approach is presented on the 1004, all External Depreciation is attributed to the improvements while, in fact, any external or economic influences occurred over some time period prior to the appraisal and are reflected in the current Site Value.

Yes, External Obsolescence and Economic Obsolescence are real. They are measures of value loss, over time, due to forces external to the subject property. No, there is absolutely no sense to the way that External Obsolescence is shown on the URAR. The External Obsolescence field is merely a last-ditch effort to cram an important concept into a place where it doesn't logically belong.

Should changes in value due to external or economic forces be mentioned in the appraisal? Absolutely yes. Should there be an adjustment in the Cost Approach? Absolutely not, the lowering of values will be reflected in the Site Value. To say that external or economic forces affect the price paid for materials just doesn't make any sense at all.
 
...I would argue though that there are more than 2 ways to these problems and still get them right.
Several years ago, we went to a wedding, and at the reception we were seated with a group of mathematician classmates of the bride. One of them started off with a joke about how many theoretical mathematicians it takes to change a light bulb. Five minutes later, the punch line had something to do with, "because there were multiple correct answers." I'm just not that bright. I never had a chance at following the joke and have never felt so ignorant. But, it did refresh a lesson from my studies. Sometimes there are several equally correct answers to a problem.
 
I remember those threads that said the EO was due to the lot (site). That would be incorrect. I am doing an assignment for divorce that shows the property was worth what they paid for it in 2004, but is now worth about $60k-70k less. It is not the lot, it is the external factors that have determined the value. The lot still has value, although it might be less than the $40,000 they paid for it. That does not explain the other $20-$30,000. That is explained in external obsolescence.
Wait a second! They paid $40k for the lot and now the property's value has dropped by $60k+? So for someone to replicate the property, they'd immediately be out at least $20k? To me, that sounds like Functional Obsolescence or a Highest and Best Use problem.

You could say that the total property has suffered from External Obsolescence (a decline in value, over time, due to external influences) but it doesn't make much sense to say that the Replacement Cost of the improvements is lower because of External Obsolescence. Unless Home Depot is giving EO discounts.
 
Wait a second! They paid $40k for the lot and now the property's value has dropped by $60k+? So for someone to replicate the property, they'd immediately be out at least $20k? To me, that sounds like Functional Obsolescence or a Highest and Best Use problem.

You could say that the total property has suffered from External Obsolescence (a decline in value, over time, due to external influences) but it doesn't make much sense to say that the Replacement Cost of the improvements is lower because of External Obsolescence. Unless Home Depot is giving EO discounts.

Nothing is being built....it is SE Michigan. The external obsolescence is the economy, so yes it would now be a highest and Best Use issue. The replacement costs of the improvements are not less, but the test of financial feasibility is no longer there for the time being.
 
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