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Fannie Mae and "Multiple Parcels"

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everyone agrees that the HBU of the vacant lot is to build an SFR.
Hmm. AS IS the HBU of a vacant lot is...drum roll please...a vacant lot. As such it is either surplus as unbuildable or is excess meaning it CAN (but does not necessarily need to be) be sold off. BUT its zoning can be the same, either improved or vacant. Its maximally productive use is what it is.
 
Hmm. AS IS the HBU of a vacant lot is...drum roll please...a vacant lot. As such it is either surplus as unbuildable or is excess meaning it CAN (but does not necessarily need to be) be sold off. BUT its zoning can be the same, either improved or vacant. Its maximally productive use is what it is.

Agreed, HBU #1 - Legal permitted use*
My area, zoning dictates how an assessor can determine, excess; (IE: zoning requires; .25 ac, the site is .40 ac, the excess (their terminology) is valued lower as a contributory factor) the market may not provide support, it depends.
PS: over the years ran across a few assessor's cards noting, Ocean on field cards, the water area noted, thru my entire life is Long Island Sound....who knew.
Over the years if the Legally Permitted (2nd site) is to be included with the main property in the assignment request, 2 properties - 2 appraisals (as suggested) and most Clients find another appraiser who will provide (1) report for both.
 
Considering that FNMA securitizes single family home & 2-4 Multi-family & Condo. They don't securtize Stand alone Vacant land of any type.

They provide liquidity in the housing mortgage market. I get that part. It helps banks/lenders have sufficient capital to promote home ownership . That's a good societal thing. Home ownership creates stable family units and stable neighborhoods. That's a good thing. They also securitize multifamily. I get that also because it serves the housing needs. That's a good thing also.

Why do they also securitize a SFR Improved site with a extra separate Excess site? I mean they don't securitize vacant standalone sites unless the adjoining improved site owner owns both.

They even loan/securtize rural SFR properties with large acreage. I get why they do that also. This helps a families continue to own a large Family Home site.

One reason(and it very well may be the only reason) they may do this with multiple HBU lots one improved the other(s) not; Is that Municipal Zoning changes may have created that situation after the fact. That makes sense to me.

 
because you failed to consider that nobody in that market wants to live next to a construction site or blighted lot.

This argument holds no water. If that were true then no one would buy homes in new subdivisions with vacant lots next to them.
 
Oh yes they can, because you failed to consider that nobody in that market wants to live next to a construction site or blighted lot. Worse than failed to consider it- you refused to consider it even when confronted with the evidence. And the reason is obvious.
You know, everyone has appraised homes that were located next to a vacant lot before. It's not as if that's some unusual appraisal problem. We all know what the outcomes are like, too. That means you are wasting your time with this tangent.

As I said, you'd do the one value and then skip everything else whereas I'd have done all 3 including the one you're doing. I think you should also consider doing the same. Or not, your choice. Appraisers tend to do what they do.
 
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This argument holds no water. If that were true then no one would buy homes in new subdivisions with vacant lots next to them.

If you don't believe this, then you will have to come up with an alternative explanation as to why these lots refuse to be split off and developed. George's theory is that everyone is dumb, what's yours?

Second, it's not the construction but the uncertainty, which includes more than just construction. What if some derelict builder takes four years to finish the job, leaves trash everywhere, uses sketchy employees, and puts up an ugly monstrosity that blocks out your sun? And it's not just the vacant lot, but the challenge of selling both parcels at the same time, that is the appraisal problem at hand.

I was just talking to the wife, who knows nothing about appraisal. Mentioned that some guy online thinks it would be more profitable to sell off the front lot on that Garfield house. She laughed and said who the hell would ever do that? The idea is indeed ridiculous. A developer snaps up the front lot after a few days, now what is the agent supposed to say to prospective buyers of the main house? What buyer is going to jump into that hornet nest rather than move on and look at the next house?

In George's scenario where he claims the buyer paid $89,000 for the vacant lot, he's trying to tell you that the young family who bought the house put $17k down and paid an extra $400 every month over a property with comparable site utility but could not be split off. And then just sat on it. Laughable.

Even if the seller got a good offer, they probably wouldn't risk taking it. Maybe if the seller wasn't planning to leave for a while, they would sell off the front lot first and then wait to sell the house later once some predictability was restored to the situation. Risky though, and definitely not your typically motivated seller, also doesn't jibe with our effective dates. Maybe an owner/builder would buy the entire property, again not your typically motivated buyer. And if they did, they wouldn't have to bid full price, just a little more than the other buyers. That's what I mean when I say "undervalued"- given the highest and best use of one component of the subject property, it's possible that a buyer would offer more for the subject property, and possible that a seller would accept more for the subject property, but not the typical buyer and seller in our definition of value, because it's in their best interest to maintain control over the lot rather than maximize profit.

And that's why this thread is split between people who have some personal experience with these situations and those that don't, and why it's so dangerous for an arrogant appraiser to think they can dictate to the market, and dictate to their client, and call everyone dumb instead of listening to what the market is trying to tell them.
 
Personal experience? WTH? You don't want to go there, so lets don't.

Like I keep saying, if I appraised that property I'd have provided 3 value conclusions, including but not limited to the one you're providing.
 
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Personal experience? WTH? You don't want to go there, so lets don't.

Like I keep saying, if I appraised that property I'd have provided 3 value conclusions, including but not limited to the one you're providing.

This is the core problem with the FNMA newsletter. They have issued a blanket all encompassing solution on something that actually is a "It Depends" Maybe I have it wrong, feel free to correct me.
 
Hmm. AS IS the HBU of a vacant lot is...drum roll please...a vacant lot. As such it is either surplus as unbuildable or is excess meaning it CAN (but does not necessarily need to be) be sold off. BUT its zoning can be the same, either improved or vacant. Its maximally productive use is what it is.

In my immediate neighborhood, 1979 was when it was developed and subdivided as a SD. Within the last two years there have been five(5) New Builds on platted Vacant lots. There are still three vacant lots and they are for sale. The three are owned by one individual. all three border/touch my home site. HBU is Residential ready for improvement. He has not sold any because we don't have City Sewer, but do have city water and there are Perking issues raising the cost considerably. He wants 100K for two of the lots to be sold together to supposedly help alleviate some of the septic issue cost. I don't know if that is a good strategy.

My Street comes off a secondary feeder route. If you go past my house and cross over the next street you enter into a relatively new S/D of another higher end SFR. That opened up within the past 10 years, was developed and sold out rather quickly. It had about 10 lots were not improved until just recently. They all had slopes requiring a basement or be back-filled. I think there are three being built on now. I don't go that way when i go somewhere...

Bottom line is these were all vacant buildable lots and held by several individuals. All the individuals are Relatively Big Fish in the Gastonia Pond. They can afford to hold these vacant lots until a time when demand rises for new Builds in specific Hoods. Its a long term investment for them. Its is a gamble. Now is the time to sell them, because demand for SFR Housing in our residential markets is high. Our population is growing and is expected to continue to grow. The lots next to me are over-priced that's why they have not sold yet. Frankly they are WAY overpriced, IMHO. How they priced them I do not know. opinions.
 
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