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Austin and Others,

Withour commenting on the amount of money generated by actions of the Appraiser Qualifications Board, the Appraisal Standards Board and the Appraisal Foundation, there is a legitimate concern about the propriety of a non-government, Standards Writing body manipulating standards and criteria in such a way so as to assure a financial benefit to them or their parent organization (The Appraisal Foundation). Some state regulatory boards have concerns with this, as do other organizations.

Below are excerpts from a comment letter on the AQB Fourth Exposure Draft on Revising the Real Property Appraiser Qualification Criteria sent by the Florida Real Estate Appraisal Board in May, 2003.

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ISSUE: 15-Hour National USPAP Course versus 7-Hour National USPAP Update Course

POSITION: As long as the Appraisal Standards Board continues to make regular changes to the Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice, mandatory continuing education in this area is wise. If licensees choose to fulfill their continuing education obligation with the longer course, it should be considered to be an acceptable substitute. Although we recognize the difference in the offerings, and what the Appraiser Qualifications Board is attempting to accomplish with the distinction, please reconsider your logic and recognize the realities of the marketplace and universe of licensed and certified appraisers.

With respect to the requirement of the 15-Hour National USPAP Course and the requirement to include at least one AQB Certified Instructor, we suggest there is, at a minimum, the appearance of a conflict of interest. The AQB should not mandate criteria which may provide, or gives the appearance of providing, a financial or other benefit to the AQB and/or The Appraisal Foundation.

Although the AQB permits a course equivalent to the National USPAP Course and the National USPAP Update Course, equivalency is determined solely by the AQB. We believe equivalency should also be determined by an impartial review body, state regulatory agency or disinterested organization. There must be a method to appeal decisions or rejections by the AQB. Many, if not most states have been delegated the authority to review and approve courses by their state legislatures.

ISSUE: AQB Meetings

POSITION: Once again, we suggest you may also wish to open up all your meetings to public attendance and scrutiny. Decisions made in meetings behind closed doors do not garner support from board members and legislators accustomed to “government in the sunshine”. According to responses from regulatory jurisdictions detailed in the recently released GAO Report mentioned above, this is a widely held view.

ISSUE: Minimum Educational Offering - 15 Hours and Closed Book Examination

POSITION: What is the educational objective? How has it been determined that only courses of a minimum length are sufficient for qualifying education? Why must the examination be closed book? It appears as though the AQB is delving too deep into the specifics of qualifying education. Without rationale and convincing supporting data, it is impossible to support this proposal.

ISSUE: USPAP Retakes not Repetitive

POSITION: With all due respect, just because the AQB believes this does not make it so. From a purely personal perspective, my recent completion of the newly developed 7 Hour AQB Developed National USPAP Course was, in fact, repetitive. New material, at most, comprised 50% of the offering.

Leave it to the states to make this determination.
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Since the Third Exposure Draft, the 2002 Annual Report of the Appraisal Subcommittee has been released. Consistent with the 1998, 2000 and 2001 Annual Reports of the Appraisal Subcommittee to the United States Congress, the 2002 Annual Report fails to mention any allegation the current Appraiser Qualification Criteria is insufficient or inadequate. For at least four years, the Appraisal Subcommittee has not raised the issue of an inadequate or ineffective Appraiser Qualification Criteria in their reports to Congress. Despite the AQB’s attempts to provide rationale in the Fourth Exposure Draft, questions remain about the impetus and reasoning for the dramatic increases in the Appraiser Qualification criteria proposed by the Appraiser Qualifications Board. If problems with the current criteria are one of the root problems with the appraisal regulatory structure in place, why has not the Appraisal Subcommittee made the disclosure to Congress?

Another significant report, Opportunities to Enhance Oversight of the Real Estate Appraisal Industry, has been released by the General Accounting Office subsequent to the AQB’s Third Exposure Draft. Although the issue of Appraiser Qualifications was not part of their charge, the GAO examined many of the nooks and crannies of the Appraiser Regulatory Structure and conducted dozens of interviews with participants representing the entire spectrum of ideas and points of view. There does not appear to be any recommendation or suggestion made by the GAO in their report the current Appraiser Qualification Criteria is inadequate, dated or in need of enhancement.

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There is no question of the need for more stringent oversight and review of the actions of the Appraiser Qualifications Board.
 
What is the educational objective?

The crux of the problem is in this answer.

If licensees choose to fulfill their continuing education obligation with the longer [USPAP] course, it should be considered to be an acceptable substitute.

I cannot express the stupidity of the current system in words

If problems with the current criteria are one of the root problems with the appraisal regulatory structure in place, why has not the Appraisal Subcommittee made the disclosure to Congress?

This is not about qualifications, this is about jobs for a bunch of middle aged white men in Washington.

a $25 registry fee
The Foundation has accumulated so much cash from this account there is infighting among the politicos to reach in and scoop that cash out for other purposes.

as usual, Frank has been on top of the inter-machinations of the appraisal system and apparently it does not make him feel too comfortable. In only the rest of us in the industry were looking over the ASB and AQB's shoulder, then they might rethink the necessity of constantly changing USPAP, qualifications, etc.

Our educational offerings are so cut and dried, that...well, they are dry. Any innovative CE or qualifying course has a high hurdle to overcome. So we end up with some pretty bland offerings and the states themselves appear reluctant to accept any non-preapproved class that comes from out of state and even some from within the state. I took a course sponsored by the Univ. of Tulsa (OK) in Houston (TX) a few years ago that was an incredible class only to have it rejected for CE by Arkansas. Was not pre-approved for RE-A CE. Our system discourages real professional improvement and wish to substitute a system that serves the needs of the Foundation rather than the needs of appraisers.
 
NCAB News Brewing!!

There is a thread running over on the “Improve the profession forum” about what is going on at the NCAB (North Carolina Appraisal Board). Three NCAB board member’s terms have expired, one over a year ago and two recently and the governor has not appointed any replacements. The FBI and HUD are doing an investigation involving NCAB and the two NCAB staff lawyers just left at about the same time. The NCAB has not held any hearings recently either for some reason. Go over and read Bob Ipock’s account. Seems the chickens are coming home to roost. Stay tuned folks, the sky is falling.
 
Austin,

You and Terrell and Frank made some good points.

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Thanks for pointing out that post in the other forum. I know too little with any certainty to comment -- but I sure agree the plot appears to be thickening...

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I emailed Steve Vertin last night about getting some news on FAIR. I'm in the same boat on that issue. I'm sure he will update us before long (maybe in this thread).

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Frank,

I too thank you for continuing to track the big picture with the profession.

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dcj
 
Thanks Austin... I would have missed that....

Intersting that it is the legal members who are leaving <_<

For any newer forum readers, the Tom Hildebrant Story {delinieated in many posts to the Improving the Profession forum} is a study in what can go wrong when a board elects to 'punish' an appraiser who beleives him/herself to be operating ethically and under USPAP and refuses to bow to political pressure or expediency. Tom fought the charges long and hard and won in civil court, only to remain under a cloud within the NCAB system (further details are still pending) :angry: .

You might want to take a look at the saga... it is edifying, and reason to understand what all this USPAP stuff is about.
 
I would like to make one small point about "instructors getting rich". There are presently 30 students in my registered appraisers class. The cost of the course is approximately $1,000 per student. The instructors are paid $50 per hour or $3,750 for a 75 hour course. We ain't getting rich. In fact, two extra appraisals a week earns more for me than teaching four hours a night, three nights a week. I do it because I like to do it and feel I need to return something to the profession.
 
Mike:
Maybe you need a course in fee negotiating. That is interesting information from you. The teacher that knows the material and teaches the course doing all of the work gets $3,500 roughly so that leaves about $26,500 for some one else. Who is the some one else and what did they do to earn $26,500?
If 10% is a standard cut for the instructors, then with the new USPAP class generating an estimated $12,000,000 every two years that means the instructors are getting $1,200,000 and some other entity is getting $10,800,000. The ASB & AQB can hold a lot of hearings in Vegas for that kind of dough. Maybe they can purchase their own cruise ship, hold the USPAP classes at sea, and not have to pay state sales taxes. Are they taxable anyway as GSE's? Nice racket huh? No cut for the boss of bosses.
When I was licensed in NC I took an AI approved CE class in Virginia, Appraising Nursing Homes, “ and sent it in for CE credit in NC. They wrote back and said, “sorry, we haven’t approved that course.” They kindly enclosed a catalog of approved courses. Guess who was sponsoring the classes? The NC community college system. Guess what the financial status of the NC government is and has been for the last few years? Hello! Is any body out there tuned in? You sheepel are getting a royal fleecing!
Question: Is a record of no financial accountability an ethics violation of USPAP, assuming of course the members of the boards are certified appraisers?

PS: Yesterday I went over to the F.A.I.R. forum to brush up on the old dialog we had. Sorry folks, gone, evaporated..... FAIR? What FAIR? The founding fathers are still in session I assume. Both of them. I wouldn't bring this up but I have been wondering what was going on and I have received a few PM's saying, "hey Austin, Whatever happened to our money and FAIR." The line I was look for in the archieves was the part where I specifically told them any such organization had to be based on total transparent accountability and established with a clear and immutable mission statement. :yellowblack: I am not going to name the founding fathers, I will let them handle this their way.
 
The school I instruct for, of course. They provide the materials, the facility, advertise the classes, and have the State approval for the course. If you think I am getting the short end of the stick consider I am (according to them) the highest paid real estate instructor on their staff. Most teaching real estate courses get $35 to $40 an hour.
 
Mike wrote:

They provide the materials, the facility, advertise the classes, and have the State approval for the course.

Reply: You said the school you instruct for. That is vague. Surely it is not a public supported school? If it is a public facility then the taxpayers have already paid for that facility along with the advertising and the materials. All they need is a sucker to furnish the substance of the course. If it is a private school, I smell campaign contributions. The key phrase that caught my eye was the “and have the State approval for the course.” Mike, have you ever heard of Al Capone? He holds the patent on that racket.
 
I have changed from regular participant to full time lurker on the forum. My business has virtually exploded in the last two years. It has become very difficult for me to participate given my schedule. Oh the good old days. However, I need to address Austin’s concerns with the funds within FAIR. They have been sitting in a bank account and have not been touched with the exception of the maintenance fee which has been deducted monthly. This is the fee the bank charges for keeping the account open. I have always had an open policy where as I would fax bank account information to anyone who requested it. Some folk have and most received the information the day of the request.

I was an ad hoc appointment to FAIR. I never asked for the position and truly never had the time to do the job properly. However, the organization never grew sufficiently to warrant much time.

I have been thinking about what to do with the money. The following in no way is written in stone and I am open for suggestions. But for what it is worth, this is what I have come up with. Since the organization is non-existent I think it only fair (no pun intended) money be returned to original donors minus any bank fees charged. Probably the best way to account for bank fees would be on overall percentage. We had a list of members on site; however, the site is down because of non use. So I will have to take peoples word as to their contributions. If any funds remain after 6 months (since some who contributed are no longer participants on the forum) I will donate the remainder to “Feed the Children Foundation”. At that time I could send Austin or David a copy of the final check to “Feed the Children”(if one exist).

Those who would like their money back can send a self addressed envelope to:

Steve Vertin
1129 North Marion Avenue
Oak Park, Illinois 60302

I could put this post up as a separate post in the appropriate section of the forum. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.


Steve Vertin
 
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