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...and want to see it expanded into A Canadian style healthcare system.

Levine explained his absence from TRIUMPH's reunion performance during a Toronto in-studio interview Friday with SiriusXM's "Trunk Nation With Eddie Trunk". He said (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): "In the land of where medicine is free, it takes long times to get specialist appointments. And I've been waiting for four months to see this guy. And my [doctor] appointment was booked for [June 6] at 11:00 a.m. — this morning. And I couldn't get out of it. It's one of those that I had to go to."

The man is a Canadian legend!
 
...and want to see it expanded into A Canadian style healthcare system.

Levine explained his absence from TRIUMPH's reunion performance during a Toronto in-studio interview Friday with SiriusXM's "Trunk Nation With Eddie Trunk". He said (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): "In the land of where medicine is free, it takes long times to get specialist appointments. And I've been waiting for four months to see this guy. And my [doctor] appointment was booked for [June 6] at 11:00 a.m. — this morning. And I couldn't get out of it. It's one of those that I had to go to."

The man is a Canadian legend!
Specialist appointments here in America can take months too.
And at least this Canadian citizen had coverage to pay for his appointment, rather than going into tens of thousands of debt for it or not having coverage at all.
WE were stuck with Obamacare as a compromise because the GOP voted down Medicare for all or other forms of universal health care, which allows citizens in many nations better health care and cheaper health care and drugs at a fraction of the price we pay for the same drugs and meds.
 
Quora -Re: I’ve heard horror stories about the Canadian healthcare system

I’m sure you have. Most of these horror stories are created by PR agencies and “think tanks” who are funded by the for-profit American healthcare players.

Re: As an American, I’d like to clear this up, are you helped immediately if you have a stroke, heart attack, or any form of cancer

I’ll explain this in American terms:

  • In both Canada and the USA, doctors are for-profit businesses.
  • In both Canada and the USA, doctors are paid a fee for the service they provide.
  • In both Canada and the USA, the fee the doctor charge is generally paid by insurance companies.
  • In both Canada and the USA, there may be a waiting time between when you book an appointment and you get to see the doctor. That’s independent of which insurance company is paying.
  • In both Canada and the USA, some specialists may only accept “referrals” — that is to say that it’s your primary care physician who makes the appointment for you with the specialist. Again, this is independent of which insurance company is paying.
The big differences are the following:

  1. In the USA, there are thousands of insurance companies, and as a doctor you have to (a) choose which ones to do business with and (b) negotiate their payment rules. And not all insurance companies will pay the same amount. In fact, some can even refuse to pay!
  2. In the USA, citizens have to find one of these insurance plans and enroll (and pay!) and then deal with the paperwork.
  3. In the USA, you have to deal with patients who have no insurance. Which can be heartbreaking for both the patient and the doctor.
In Canada, by contrast,

  1. We have only one insurance plan per province. And it’s a pretty damn good plan: It covers you and every dependent, from birth to death, for almost any medically-necessary procedure, with no co-pays, deductibles, lifetime caps, or other strange rules. The exact payment for every procedure has been agreed to by a committee of doctors, not accountants.
  2. Every single resident of the province is automatically a member of that insurance plan. Your premiums are paid out of the tax you pay. If you are a minor, or retired, or unemployed, you are still a member and still get the exact same coverage.
  3. As a result, doctors do not need to deal with patients who have no insurance. They can focus on doctoring. They also have only one insurance company to deal with. In fact, these days it’s totally automated, they enter the details of the appointment into their electronic patient records system and the bill is automatically sent to the insurer, and the payment is automatically deposited electronically to the doctor’s bank account a few days later. This means that the position of “billing clerk” does not exist in the office of most Canadian doctors.
  4. Extra-special added bonus: There is no way for the insurance company to decl
 
"Same old story, you get what you pay for. Unless it's run by the gubmint."


DOGE is an example....
Where's my stimulus check....
 
Quora -Re: I’ve heard horror stories about the Canadian healthcare system

I’m sure you have. Most of these horror stories are created by PR agencies and “think tanks” who are funded by the for-profit American healthcare players.

Re: As an American, I’d like to clear this up, are you helped immediately if you have a stroke, heart attack, or any form of cancer

I’ll explain this in American terms:

  • In both Canada and the USA, doctors are for-profit businesses.
  • In both Canada and the USA, doctors are paid a fee for the service they provide.
  • In both Canada and the USA, the fee the doctor charge is generally paid by insurance companies.
  • In both Canada and the USA, there may be a waiting time between when you book an appointment and you get to see the doctor. That’s independent of which insurance company is paying.
  • In both Canada and the USA, some specialists may only accept “referrals” — that is to say that it’s your primary care physician who makes the appointment for you with the specialist. Again, this is independent of which insurance company is paying.
The big differences are the following:

  1. In the USA, there are thousands of insurance companies, and as a doctor you have to (a) choose which ones to do business with and (b) negotiate their payment rules. And not all insurance companies will pay the same amount. In fact, some can even refuse to pay!
  2. In the USA, citizens have to find one of these insurance plans and enroll (and pay!) and then deal with the paperwork.
  3. In the USA, you have to deal with patients who have no insurance. Which can be heartbreaking for both the patient and the doctor.
In Canada, by contrast,

  1. We have only one insurance plan per province. And it’s a pretty damn good plan: It covers you and every dependent, from birth to death, for almost any medically-necessary procedure, with no co-pays, deductibles, lifetime caps, or other strange rules. The exact payment for every procedure has been agreed to by a committee of doctors, not accountants.
  2. Every single resident of the province is automatically a member of that insurance plan. Your premiums are paid out of the tax you pay. If you are a minor, or retired, or unemployed, you are still a member and still get the exact same coverage.
  3. As a result, doctors do not need to deal with patients who have no insurance. They can focus on doctoring. They also have only one insurance company to deal with. In fact, these days it’s totally automated, they enter the details of the appointment into their electronic patient records system and the bill is automatically sent to the insurer, and the payment is automatically deposited electronically to the doctor’s bank account a few days later. This means that the position of “billing clerk” does not exist in the office of most Canadian doctors.
  4. Extra-special added bonus: There is no way for the insurance company to decl
There's that and then there's reality
 
Both systems suck. We have a fear of dying. Charlie munger said it best, 90% of healthcare money is spent on the dying, and they aren’t saveable. Most money, including your life savings will be spent to extend your life another 4-6 months.

But we’ve been conditioned to believe it’s inhumane to talk like that, so we have no choice - Healthcare will remain a disaster in both countries forever.

Health insurance should be catastrophic -cancer, heart disease, etc. Out-of-pocket for everything else. That would prevent people from going to the doctor for every little bull**** ailment they have.

These hospitals, theyre built are like palaces, who do you think pays for that? Hospital should be four people to a room, the goal is to get in and get out as fast as you can, not stay there like you’re living at the Ritz Carlton. Used to be 50 doctors for everyone administrator, now it’s probably five to one. And if I had to guess I would say the hedge funds and capital investment groups are now in the hospital business. So that only ****s things up even more.
 
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Both systems suck. We have a fear of dying. Charlie munger said it best, 90% of healthcare money is spent on the dying, and they aren’t saveable. Most money, including your life savings will be spent to extend your life another 4-6 months.

But we’ve been conditioned to believe it’s inhumane to talk like that, so we have no choice - Healthcare will remain a disaster in both countries forever.

Health insurance should be catastrophic -cancer, heart disease, etc. Out-of-pocket for everything else. That would prevent people from going to the doctor for every little bull**** ailment they have.

These hospitals, theyre built are like palaces, who do you think pays for that? Hospital should be four people to a room, the goal is to get in and get out as fast as you can, not stay there like you’re living at the Ritz Carlton. Used to be 50 doctors for everyone administrator, now it’s probably five to one. And if I had to guess I would say the hedge funds and capital investment groups are now in the hospital business. So that only ****s things up even more.
More of the false both sides are bad - health care is better overall in Canada and better still in other European nations and in Australia-
 
...and want to see it expanded into A Canadian style healthcare system.

Levine explained his absence from TRIUMPH's reunion performance during a Toronto in-studio interview Friday with SiriusXM's "Trunk Nation With Eddie Trunk". He said (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): "In the land of where medicine is free, it takes long times to get specialist appointments. And I've been waiting for four months to see this guy. And my [doctor] appointment was booked for [June 6] at 11:00 a.m. — this morning. And I couldn't get out of it. It's one of those that I had to go to."

The man is a Canadian legend!
Sir, many of my family work in healthcare profession. They know better than to bring your argument up to me. Most civilized nations have govt healthcare. They have to wait. They don't have to be told where they can go either.

Don't go down that road with me. I have every profession as relatives from surgeons to pharmacist to etc.etc. They don't step on my toes on that subject. They know better.
 
Since you bring it up, where is Trump's healthcare plan so much better than what we have now? I could almost promise you he said he had something so much better on healthcare plan.
 
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