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Okay, this is how it shakes out so far:
Pam: We're using an extraordinary assumption, as you suggested. We're using the facts that the house is six years old and the foundation isn't cracked as a basis for the extraordinary assumption that the foundation is stable. (I re-read USPAP's treatise on these, and it seems you can't make'em without stating the basis for the assumption.) We're stating that only a qualified inspection can determine whether this is so, and if it ain't, we reserve the right to change the value opinion accordingly.

MLeggett: We're using functional obsolescence and a cost to cure of $5,000. This is based on a telephone consultation with a code-compliance inspector friend who states that the existing foundation can be used if you 1) Insert a continuous metal termite shield between the untreated wood and the masonry; and 2) Tie the joist band to the footing every six feet. Cost of materials could be less than $500. The rest would be devoured by labor--and a lot of it. This procedure would allow the house to be jacked up only 1/8 - 1/4 inch (just enough to insert the termite shield). There should be little if any cracking of the interior if this is done properly; a house will flex that much during normal thermal expansion, although much more slowly. (I'm not going to detail that procedure in the report, unless you folks recommend it. I'll make a note for the work file, but my LO isn't interested in these details at this point.)

RStrahan: We got a good crawl space already. The above procedure avoids disconnecting plumbing, gas, sewage, and HVAC ducting. We think that $5,000 adjustment would adequately represent resistance from knowledgeable buyers in this area. I think this is realistic, because while our general redneck population certainly aren't construction engineers, they are definitely not afraid of hard work. Many would borrow a 20-ton hydraulic jack and undertake the job themselves, once told how to cure the condition. Others would hire it done, and that's where the five grand adjustment comes from. Additional market resistance for having to undertake the repairs would probably go something like this:
Buyer: "I'll give you $10,000 less than you're asking, because the foundation needs to be fixed."
Seller: "Why, there ain't nothing wrong with that foundation. Besides, you can fix that for less than $500; I'll knock that much off."
We figure these two mule traders would settle somewhere around $5,000 difference, unless one of them insulted the other's coon dog during negotiations. Then there wouldn't be a sale at any price.

BTW, folks, the house is 1650 sqft; market value range (adjusted) supported between $85 - $96,000; adjustments include the $5 grand.

Thanks to all of you who answered. Your help is greatly appreciated.
 
Jim Plante, for a newbie, YOU are a real treasure!

We're stating that only a qualified inspection can determine whether this is so, and if it ain't, we reserve the right to change the value opinion accordingly.

That sentence isn't quite finished. here is how it needs to end:

.... we reserve the right to change the value opinion accordingly and the additional fee would be $zzz.
 
:mrgreen: Pam has a good point! :mrgreen:

Glad it has worked out for ya. Now sit back and wait for the UW calls. Maybe even wait until 4:45 on Friday to turn it in. B)
 
Originally posted by M Leggett@Aug 7 2003, 04:47 PM
:mrgreen: Pam has a good point! :mrgreen:

Glad it has worked out for ya. Now sit back and wait for the UW calls. Maybe even wait until 4:45 on Friday to turn it in. B)
One of the perks of being the "subordinate" is that I get to deal with cranky UW's. I'm gonna give it to the LO just before lunch, and give him a heads-up on the foundation. The LO is a good client, and works with us pretty well. That's why I want to do whatever I can to get him briefed so he can deal with the UW.

Hmmmm. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever getting an UW call as a result of one of his appraisals.

Pam, I don't do nuttin' without gettin' paid for it.

The extraordinary assumption is in the "conditions of appraisal" section on the URAR, and is highlighted. It is detailed in the comments, and also highlighted there. Anybody who misses it is blind.
 
You know, I have been lucky, but I never get any grief from a lender about physical "problems" with a residence. Somehow that is the easiest for them to understand and deal with, since it is a visible "concrete" problem/situation. Great help everyone and good job!
 
Last month I can across an interesting sale of a 1-year old $300,000 house in Hampton Cove (Huntsville), Alabama. The listing was for $180,000 (Oddly enough I can not find it anywhere this morning).

Basically (what I was told) the builder laid a slab foundation and then went on vacation. Whomever he left in charge built a very shallow (less than a foot) crawlspace on the slab. Basically they laid the joist on top of the slab.

Because of some problems with the termite bond and expected moister control, Fannie Mae stated that they would only be involved for this sale: after that they would have nothing more to do with the house. If the new owner sells, they will have to find a cash buyer or a company that underwrites unique properties.

This might be something that you look out for with your subject. Let me know if you would like any information on this and I will see what I can find. I am curious anyway.

I tried on a couple of occasions to visit the house but I never found the time. I thought it would make a great example (for my files) of what happens to the value of a house if there was no financing available (e.g. ameridream, et al).
 
Couple of thoughts:
Just because Freddie or Fannie don't want it, that doesn't mean you cannot obtain financing. If the buyer is well-known by the bank, they may do their own inspection, satisfy themselves that the collateral is sufficient, and keep the loan in-house.

Why on earth did they build the house that way? Was it a mistake, or deliberate? I'd definitely like to know what you find out about this. Sounds like there may be more to this than just Fannie's reluctance.

'Nother thought: What's the chances of jacking the house up about 18-20"? Seems like the cost to cure could be wayyy less than the loss of value your listing indicates.

This screwball foundation of mine caused me to use up a whole day trying to get the right adjustments and the right CYA verbiage. This forum is definitely an asset I wouldn't want to lose.

Delivered the appraisal just after lunch, and called the LO a few minutes ago to make sure he didn't just look at the pictures, check the bottom line, and throw it to the UW. He said he'd read it, "...and that's fine." Got another order from him today, too. ('Course, the underwriting department hasn't got the appraisal yet, either.)
 
Found it. It is active again after having been pending for a while. The asking price also had dropped below where I was looking. Smaller houses in the subdivision are currently asking $225,000+.

“ROOF OF FUNDS REQUIRED WITH ALL OFFERS. TERMS - CASH ONLY OR SPECIAL FANNIE MAE FINANCING, CALL AGENT FOR DETAILS. 4% COMMISSION TO THE SELLING AGENCY.”

www.valleymls.com/property_detail.asp?MLS=144457&referrer=search
(The above link is to the public MLS# 14457)

I actually have a very good answer for the termite bond. I wonder how much they would pay me for my information?
 
Alan,
I found the time this morning, and checked the link, both at 14457 and 144457. No joy. It's gone again. Have you had time to eyeball it yet? I'd sure like to know what caused such a horrendous value hit.
 
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