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Foyer and sunroom over time

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The appraisals discussed below are all lender commissioned for purposes of home finance of the same home. I am trying to understand room count, so please correct whenever I am wrong.


The house was appraised in 2004 and again in 2005. At that time the form had fill in the blanks for a list possible rooms. In both appraisals, a "1" was entered for foyer, kitchen, dining room, living room, a "4" for bedrooms, "3.5" for bathrooms, "1" for utility room and "1" for other with "sunroom '" typed in. The sunroom was unheated.

In both appraisals, an "8" is the total number of rooms.

My thought is that the eight rooms are the 4 bedrooms, the kitchen, dining room, living room, plus the foyer. IMO, the utility room does not qualify as a room. The sunroom did not qualify because it lacked its own heat source.

The foyer, incidentally, is 9' x 8' interior measurement or 72 sq ft -- plus a closet of 9 square feet for a total 81 square feet interior measurement. It has an entry door, plus a lockable glass (individual panes) door to the kitchen. It has three thermal casement windows, an overhead light, an electrical outlet, its own heat/AC vent, and 9' ft ceilings with four 10" diameter vigas. I list all this to show that the room is substantially built to standards similar to those for the home.

(I am not wealthy -- we lucked into this place.)

August 2011, the house is appraised again and now has seven rooms. The foyer is unmentioned and IMO it no longer counts as a room. ??? The appraiser however suggested that we heat the sunroom and thus add its square feet (~190) to the living area total.

We added an electric heater hard wired to code. The heater can heat 400 square feet -- thus can heat the room in minutes.

Two more appraisals follow and the room total is eight again. The eighth room is now the sunroom. ??? Is this all correct?

The sunroom incidentally is approximately 190 sq ft, has a fixed light, electrical outlets, a water supply (for plants), ten thermal windows in two bays, four skylights, 11 smaller vigas, nine foot ceilings, a single glass door to court, two double glass doors (individual panes) to living area.

Again, I list all this to show that the room is substantial. Again, I am not rich.

Basic question: Am I correct

1. First two appraisal count foyer, but not unheated sunroom as a room.???

2. Third appraisal counts neither as room.???

3. Last two appraisals count heated sunroom but not foyer as a room.

?????

Again, many thanks.
 
Foyer/entrys and sunrooms are both difficult. There is no hard and fast rule about when does an entry become a foyer(additional room) other than you know it when you see it. Sunrooms too are tricky as there are issues with heating, conformity, accessiblity, quality of construction that may lead an appraiser to conclude that it should be separated out as a separate line item within the appraisal report. Based on the above, the appraiser may or may not, dependent on market data, adjust the sunrooms square footage at the same amount as they adjusted for differences in gross living area.

Being familiar with your market, I would not be too concerned with any other room counts other than bedrooms and bathrooms. Overall the market is driven by GLA (gross living area) and whether a home has 4 bedrooms, 3 1/2 baths with an additional 4 rooms or 3 rooms really has no substantial bearing on the market value of your home, especially when your home has an additional 2 areas which may or may not be counted as a room. Maybe if we were talking about 1 additional room with the home having no living room would there be reason for concern but in your case, the foyer mentioned can be incredibly subjective as to whether it should be a room or not and there is more to including a sunroom as an additional room, at least for purposes of how it is described on a typical appraisal, than heat.
 
you shouldn't assume anything, which is what you did. we cannot tell you what the original 2 appraisers did but if i had to guess, and this is only a guess, the utility room was the 8th room and not the foyer.

you are correct that heating the sunroom made it living area, and that is when i would have called your house an 8/4/3.5 and not before. prior to that it would have been a 7 from me.

all of this is kind of a moot point as we adjust for living area/bedrooms/baths, not overall room count.
 
I don't count foyers as a room...unless it was some big magumbo house with a huge distinct foyer. Room count is nothing to sweat over. Some call an attached dining area a room, some don't. Just be consistent with your comps.
 
I consider a foyer as an area and not a room, much like a dining area / breakfast nook. I also wouldn't consider a laundry room within the room count.
 
I never include foyers or utility rooms in room count. Sunrooms are a problem since it seems that most sunrooms are porch type structures but some are regular rooms with lots of windows. My rule of thumb is if it is a porch type structure it can't be GLA. If it is a normal room built like the rest of the house and on the same foundation I include it in GLA but I don't call it a Sunroom, I call it a Den or Sitting Room.
 
Foyer is a distinct room with a door between it and kitchen. Appraisers generally measure it a 120 square feet not including the closets.

Sunroom is approximately 190 square feet, It is definitely built to the standards of the house.
 
Room counts are defined as living areas. A foyer is not a living area and a utility room is also not a living area (per fannie). Sunrooms as was stated before may or not be rooms depending on degree of finishing and/or heat/cooled.
 
Room counts are defined as living areas. A foyer is not a living area and a utility room is also not a living area (per fannie). Sunrooms as was stated before may or not be rooms depending on degree of finishing and/or heat/cooled.
If it's not "living area", I hope you don't count it in your Gross Living Area :icon_mrgreen:

An area is living area, even though it's not a room.
 
Since total rooms does not seem to be important, then it is Gross Living Area (GLA) that counts?????
 
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