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philip

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From Working Real Estate Magazine:

“When I get those out of state calls, I know they want a free answer about whether the deal will fly. I also know from experience that I’m not going to win them over with a quick USPAP lesson. So, here is my approach: I exchange a few friendly words with them but always ask for the address of the subject early in the conversation. Sometimes I can access the property’s data from an online source quickly, and have before my eyes some sort of reliable information to consider.

"Once I have information, I ask them what they know about the property: its history, the market, AVMs they've run, BPOs they’ve secured, and whatever else it takes to make it obvious to them that neither one of us has any real notion of the property's value. And we won’t, of course, until I get out to see the place and bring together the data that creates a good summation of the facts."

Krummel continues, “By now I know pretty well what the job will require and when I can begin. So I suggest that I can contact the homeowner immediately, see the place as early as the next day and turn the report around in 48 hours (if this is the case). Then I ask, ‘So, shall I secure those plans in your behalf by collecting my fee from the homeowner at the time I visit the property, or is it your company’s policy to send the fee at the time you fax the appraisal order?’ Then I shut up and wait for their reply.

"If they don’t want to go forward, so be it. But this routine has turned these types of calls into orders more than once for me. What other option do you have, except giving them free comp data or hanging up angry? You can say 'no thanks' and hang up the phone or you can try to convert their nonsense into your gain."

Killing them with Kindness
Laurie Otto, who provided staff support to appraisers for many years, used a similar tack.

"Generally the ‘client’ expecting the free comp search was an out-of-state broker or lender – a regular client would know better than to ask! Rather than lecture them or argue about it, I offered them current listing data intended to help them figure out what to do in this market (wealthy resort community).

"By being helpful rather than argumentative, these same people almost always came into our office later with a real appraisal need. These folks routinely dabble in the market; some refinance the same property year after year. Others continue to buy up property. We enjoyed quite a bit of repeat business from this simple gesture to help. We offered listings only; no sales and no conclusions regarding the raw data," she said.

"Sometimes appraisers get hung up on terminology and forget to try to determine exactly what the client wants or needs. Usually, eventually, it's an appraisal, and they've come to the right place.”
 
I read that article in REM and couldn't help but cringe. Imagine self-promotion on those
appraiser's part for keeping the lowest of the low in the mortgage business alive. I only know 3 MBs that I consider to be honest and they loathe the telemarketers who masquerade as loan officers. They have no rules to answer to at all.
 
Thats a good post Philip.

However, I have noticed that the tone changes very quickly on behalf of the LO or MB as soon as you refuse to give a value before you do an appraisal.

I don't think it's myself that has the problem with my tone.
 
Hey Bobby
Three brokers is also the number with me...
 
Good post Philip. Unlike Bobby, I have no problem with getting a bit of appraisal gravy off the sleazy loan officer. I have used a similar method to that listed by the first guy in the story many times. The conversation usually goes something like this:

MB: We're getting ready to expand in your area and are looking for a comp search.

ME: What kind of property is it?

MB: It's an SFR in Anytown.

ME: Do you know what the GLA is?

MB: ?

ME: Without data about the property it would be pretty hard to appraise it. The way we usually do that is by going to the property, etc. etc. (describe the appraissal process).

MB: (Without even realizing what's going on, most of the time) Yeah, that's what we've looking for.

ME: All orders from new out-of-state clients require COD or pre-payment. If you will fax the order I'll return an e-mail with expected delivery date after I have set the appointment.

In most cases, the order from this type of client comes with an illegal pre-determined value clause. That's the point in time when I give them a USPAP lesson. I fax a sheet to them that they have to sign understanding that they are not requesting pre-determined value and payment is not contingent.... So far, I've never had one refuse to sign.

So, what's wrong with that? They need an appraisal to go forward. They borrower chose them to do the loan. I have to maintain highest ethical standards, but it's not my job to enforce standards upon them. When dealing with these guys you have to remain ethical and professional... that doesn't mean you can't do a little selling along the way. I don't know about the rest of you, but I', in business to make a living - the way I do that is by providing a service: appraisals.
 
I knew that sounded familiar. That's our own Ross here. He's been telling us for a long time how to talk them into an order instead of a freebie comp check. It's a valid tactic that some of us can do and the rest of us ought to try. It is true that they don't want any lesson in the law, but we should at least try to get a compliant order. Some it will work with, some it won't.
 
I reocognized it as well. And, like you said Pam, some will, but most won't. It's a chance we take everyday.
 
they loathe the telemarketers who masquerade as loan officers. They have no rules to answer to at all.
In my state, Mortgage companies are supposed to be listed with the state Securities commission. I check the website when possible while on the phone if they are not on the list, I bluntly ask them if they are operating under other names. many don't even know they are supposed to be registered in the state. I haven't done an out of town LO /mortgage appraisal in years.
 
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